One from the man himself - this needs no commentary

4 Glenn Sacks 01.28.09 at 7:22 pm
Scarlett has a point–When I wrote this I assumed the Minister meant this for cases when the woman was the first one to hit or strike the man. This is actually not clear–the Minister might have only meant the woman initiated the conflict without hitting/pushing, etc. If it’s only words, that’s different–verbal or emotional abuse is wrong, too, but it’s not the same as domestic violence. –GS]

Find this at: http://deanesmay.com/2009/01/28/outrage-justice-minister-fired-for-stating-obvious-truth-about-domestic-violence/#comment-168097

Goose, Gander, who is looking anyways?

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Sonja Says:

March 19th, 2009 at 6:19 am

..."And before you get nuts, I’m not talking about men who are actually harmed."

Define "not harmed". Is it "Not physically harmed"? Because there's still a world of mental and emotional hurt out there, and men just suck it up because they're taught that to do otherwise is 'weak'. It leads to depression, which leads to suicide.

Then why do nearly all of the father's rights activists state that when a woman claims mental or verbal abuse she needs to buck up and quit whining? I guess what is good for the gander is not good for the goose.....

Shouldn't you say it is not okay to hit - PERIOD?

I find these little jewels of wisom and must say each time one pops up I gain more understanding into why DV flourishes. Just continue on gentle reader.....

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Mike Kitchens Says:

April 4th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I have been brought up to treat women and girls with respect, and I firmly believe in that. I also agree that it is not OK to hit a woman without provocation.....

JeanB must have a very low IQ or.... well I guess there really is NO excuse for her stupidity

First TF who is one of the cult followers (and a regular one at that since he has been featured here before) makes remarks about a woman's appearance. Again this is one of the signs/symptoms of a controlling and angry man (verbal abuse). Second he is on an angry MRA/FR blog forum (sign #2). We must watch for further comments and see if sign #3 exists (wife accused me of abuse and stole my house, my car, my kids, and my money). If sign #3 exists then Petunia can just about guarantee he is an abusive person. Only way to figure this fact out quicker would be to deduce TF's identity and then do a search for his court records. Petunia doesn't waste her time on that though. Before deducing several of the cult members' identities she always guessed correctly as to their nature.

Well after TF insult Marcia Pappas, JeanB then gets into the fray by throwing out insults as only a woman colluder can. She appears to be insulting herself while all the while she is insulting Ms. Pappas.

Well JeanB, you say you are overweight due to being in your 40's and having had how many children? One? Well I have had multiple children (close to the octomom before the babies arrived) and I am not fat, not considered overweight and I am alsio in my 40's. In fact as a mom to an overweight child, feel the insults you are putting out to anyone who is overweight. Having children a long time ago does not make you overweight. Being over a certain age does not make you overweight. You become overweight when your metabolism slows down, when you do not eat properly and when you do not get the right combinations of food, vitamins and exercise.

So take your veiled insults and shove them where the sun don't shine (or better yet - send them down the drain in our flush-o-matic).

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TF Says:

March 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
I've met Pappas and she is a very obese feminist who at my last meeting took and standing in front of me fed her fat face with three cream filled doughnuts from those provided by the fathers group at a legislative meeting. Her problem with men is her extreme obesity. Men are not responsible for her obesity.
Obesity is not an excuse for misandry and Pappas' cadre of feminist psychopath bimbos deserve no respect. Pappas is the poster child for a NOW feminist and the reason for their misandry..

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JeanB Says:

March 29th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
#14, TF, as much as I am busting out laughing right now, shame on you for picking on the poor woman for her disorder. That’s what obesity is, yes? And we know that disorders are never one’s own fault.

And before anyone jumps all over me, I am about 25 or so pounds heavier than I should be. And yes, it is my own fault. But hey, I have a kid and am over 40. Such is life.

ROTFLMAO!

Louise Uccio and your comments

I let the first one slide through since you were civil. While you were mostly civil in your second one, that one is staying right where it is. Sadly you have to believe what you believe. If your children are being brainwashed against you, that is abuse - no need to add a label to it. You say men and women are equally guilty of this, well the courts do not see it that way. I know of a lady who has suffered many losses in her life. Her abusive husband while in the midst of a divorce said some sick things to their children. One of the children was effected deeply by this, not allowing the mother near. It was proven in court that the dad had said these things (witnessed by CPS and many others), yet NOTHING was done to the father. The judge in that case simply told the mother she had best stop denying visitation to the father or she would be in jail - he did not take kindly to mothers alienating the children from the father.

So with that said (and again that was one of the worst cases I know of - there are thousands more. PAS is JUNK SCIENCE!!! Brainwashing, telling lies about the other parent to the child - IA ABUSE. Call it what it is. BUT!!!!!! If the parent who says there is brainwashing happening was abusive, then it is not abuse - it is SPEAKING THE TRUTH. Using junk science to further your own agenda is only playing into the abusers hands. So unless you have something to contribute with helping those who have been victimized - go back to NANCM or Glenn Sacks (since you like to frequent his blog and you can count on not being banned from there). Guess what? You are banned from here. Anyone who furthers the PAS agenda is not welcome here. We are attempting to discover ways to show how the court whores profit from taking children away from the protective parent (generally speaking - the mother), how to better assist the victims of domestic violence, and above all else - work towards children's rights - IE: THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILD!

Orlando to have new program to assist in determining lethality in DV situations

Questionnaire helps Orlando police break spiral of domestic abuse

Now this is one SMALL step in the right direction. Also notice that there are 52 comments as of 4:00PM EST February 24, 2009.

Some of the comments while possibly an attempmt at humor are nonetheless so very true. Men who attempt to control their wives through the use of violence are then left windering why she then tires of the assaults and uses that information in her divorce of him. One poster on this site sums it up while humorously, in terms we can all understand:

honeypot
Springfield, VA
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|Report Abuse |#20 Wednesday Feb 11
Amen to Orlando for taking a Pro-Active approach to domestic violence. Years ago I was the victim of a violent stalker and there were no laws to protect. LE's hands were tied until a crime was committed. If this new technique can thwart even one assault, there is value. Prevention is a large part of the cure and it doesn't cost the taxpayers anything for the cops to ask questions.

And a note to the poster who believes women use Domestic Violence to prosper in divorce proceedings. B/S. Women use MEN to prosper in divorce proceedings. For some, that's what marriage is for. Don't like it; don't marry -- it's a fools' investment.

One can only hope that surrounding cities and counties in Florida will step up to the plate as OPD and Orlando has done.

Now boys we cannot have it both ways....

As you see in the post directly below this one, Glenn Sacks states that verbal or mental abuse is not dv. You then have this wonderful statement from one of his followers. First let me state this is complete and total victim blaming - she MADE me do it. Again this shows the double standards these men (and I use that term loosely - these are not 'real' men in my book) use to justify the simple process that is happening. Men who are prone to abuse women simply feel that they are allowed to do so or are entitled to abuse/control women.

So which is it boys? Is mental and verbal abuse actual abuse, or isn't it? Or should I start giving you cake and letting you eat it too?

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Sad Dad Says:

January 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
When I was first married, my wife's ex husband told me she used to make him so mad that sometimes he wanted to kill her, but being freshly married I didn't see it. It was a warning that went right over my head. 10 years later I saw what he was saying. Just before we'd go to bed she would just start complaining and arguing and would not shut up until I was so mad I couldn't contain myself. And she did this every single night. And that just was not me. I hated who she turned me into, it was so bad I didn't care what happened to me or the house or anything. I just wanted out of this hell I was living in. That is a bad place to be and I am a really easy going friendly person who loves kids and gives people a second chance. What she did to me I considered abuse and she knew I couldn't touch her, a matter of fact she knew it and relied on the fact that I couldn't. She drove me insane and I think that's what happens in a lot of DV cases don't you agree?