Women mean nothing in Ohio

Ohio Bill Would Include Father's Right's in Abortion Decision-Making Process

An Ohio lawmaker has re-introduced legislation that would include a father's rights in the abortion decision-making process. Under Roe v. Wade, fathers are left out of the equation when a woman considers whether or not to have an abortion that would end the life of their child.

I really have no comments on this. This would be a huge blow to victims rights, womens rights and would make some FR/MRA types very happy as evidenced by the pure joy in the original article. Imagine if you can the horror of the victim of incest or rape when she attempts to secure an abortion for whatever reason, and she is told, I am sorry we must have the alleged father appear and give his "permission"?

I am now bored with Quentie

It is interesting that she spent all that time "researching" me and never found anything of interest that she could attack. I did ask her why she was taking so long and pointed out she has a serious problem with claiming many yhings by men are control items yet she refused a reasonable post with independent research and attacked me for questioning why she didn't allow it therefore using the exact same kinds of control she complains about all over her blog.

I found many interesting things about you Quentie. I simply am bored with you now since you are like so many of the other MRA's. You were "falsely" (cough gag snort puke) accused of abuse in one form or another, you have spent your life making sure that this is removed from your record, and when it was not you simply joined up with other "allegedly" falsely accused men who are ordered to pay support. You do everything in your power to take children away from a perfectly fit mother and when you cannot, you make her unfit with your schemes and court actions. I have seen your dockets (yes plural, there was more than one). I feel for your ex-wife, and more importantly I feel for your kids. What will your daughter do when her friends come to her and say, hey I saw you dressed up as Batgirl? But "loving" fathers like you don't think that far ahead.

So talk about me all you want Quentie...It hurts me NONE. I lived with someone just like YOU. I was married to someone just like YOU. I have not visited SYG or any of those men's websites in weeks. Why do you come visit me every day? I should also ask Attila that question as well. What is it that I do that "bothers" you so much?

I won't hold my breath waiting for that little tidbit....

Conspicuously ABSENT tomorrow (Father's Day History)

Petunia will be ABSENT from posting tomorrow to recognize the good dads out there. She will return promptly at 12:01 am EST June 22nd to resume the job at hand, exposing the BAD dads out there. For now a little history lesson for all of us who had ever wondered - what is the origin of Father's Day?

http://www.holidays.net/father/story.htm

Father's Day, contrary to popular misconception, was not established as a holiday in order to help greeting card manufacturers sell more cards.

In fact when a "father's day" was first proposed there were no Father's Day cards!

Mrs. John B. Dodd, of Washington, first proposed the idea of a "father's day" in 1909. Mrs. Dodd wanted a special day to honor her father, William Smart. William Smart, a Civil War veteran, was widowed when his wife (Mrs. Dodd's mother) died in childbirth with their sixth child. Mr. Smart was left to raise the newborn and his other five children by himself on a rural farm in eastern Washington state. It was after Mrs. Dodd became an adult that she realized the strength and selflessness her father had shown in raising his children as a single parent.

The first Father's Day was observed on June 19, 1910 in Spokane Washington.

At about the same time in various towns and cities across American other people were beginning to celebrate a "father's day.".

In 1924 President Calvin Coolidge supported the idea of a national Father's Day. Finally in 1966 President Lyndon Johnson signed a presidential proclamation declaring the 3rd Sunday of June as Father's Day.

Father's Day has become a day to not only honor your father, but all men who act as a father figure. Stepfathers, uncles, grandfathers, and adult male friends are all honored on Father's Day.

I hope everyone enjoyed this little 'history' lesson and please browse through my older posts and come back Monday morning at 12:01 AM sharp for more 'tidbits' on the lovely men who are being terrorized by women like me (snort snort).

Randi James Guest Post: Between a Rock and a Hard Place: The System Sends Mixed Messages to Abuse Victims

Between a Rock and a Hard Place: The System Sends Mixed Messages to Abuse Victims

Do you stay, or do you leave?

If you haven't been a victim of abuse, or a victim of the legal system, you may not be able to understand why this is even posed as a question.

Of course you should leave!

I mean, who deserves to get beat up and/or sexually assaulted in their own home...regularly...or even occasionally. Even as careful as you could try to be to make sure everything is perfect, so as not to anger your abuser, SOMETHING always sets him off...sooner or later. He is a time bomb. You are his target.

What does it mean to be a target?

When you are a target, all of your abuser's anger is directed toward you, specifically. Typically, he doesn't pull the same shit towards those who he considers his equals, or more powerful than he. This is about power. He needs you like capitalism needs slaves. He uses you so that he can feel better about his shortcomings. He doesn't know how to feel good without you.

But he is a good father. He doesn't beat the kids.

You're right. Good fathers don't beat their kids...But nor do they beat up on women to whom they are temporarily, or permanently committed. Getting beat in front of your children doesn't exactly send the kids a good message. In fact, they are put in limbo because your kids will either

A) Side with your abuser because he is more powerful and gets what he wants, or
B) Side with you in attempt to protect you...But let me break that down a little more
1) In protecting you, your children become targets, and the moment will come when they take blows for you
2) In choosing to side with you or not, your children will mimic the behaviors they have seen and normalize them.

Is this what you want?

I hope not because if some outsider reports what is going on in your household, CPS will come knocking and your kids may be gone before you ever get a chance to ask questions. You will be charged with neglect, endangering your children, or failure to protect.

Why?

Because everyone on the outside thinks you should have just left. You are the mother. If you didn't leave, you must be an accessory to the abuse.

What mother allows her children to get abused?

And what mother lets her children watch as she gets abused?

You must be a bad mother. You don't deserve to have children. If you're lucky, maybe your relatives will do you a favor and step in and raise your children for you. If not, foster care will do a great job...because it is indeed a job when they are getting paid.

Maybe you have a chance though, if you would just leave.

That seems like the best idea. Leave.

Wait!

Are you going to tell your abuser in advance, or are you going to sneak out in the middle of the night?

Remember, he needs you...is he going to agree to all of this?

Who the fuck do you think you are leaving him, and taking his children?

He owns you. He's paying the bills. He's the reason you can stay home and take care of his children.

If you go, you have reason to be fearful. Get a lawyer and a restraining order. But, back up a little. The lawyer says, if you take out a restraining order, in the near future, the judge in family court could use it against you. He (the judge and your abuser) may say this was part of your vindictive scheme to get the kids and the money and the house and the car. Restraining orders don't prevent you from being harmed though anyway, because you still have to rely on law enforcement to act.

Get the restraining order anyway.

You'll have record of what you tried to do, in case the news opts to report it upon your "tragic" death. But you can't put the kids on the restraining order...Silly woman! You know fathers have rights!

In fact they have so many rights that if your abuser happens to get locked up, Responsible Fatherhood money will ensure that he has the means to transition back into his caretaking, father-role (don't roll your eyes, we know you were doing the caretaking, but you're not important and this is politics).

Go ahead and report the entire history of abuse.

You do have pictures, right? You mean to tell me in all these years that you have been getting assaulted, you weren't taking pictures of your injuries and saving them in a secret location?

Did you at least tell the doctor? Is there anything in your medical record?

Where are your vaginal tears, bruises, scars?

In talking to police without evidence (or with it), your case will seem suspicious. It will be your word, against your abuser's. Your local DA will be hesitant to take the case...well, hesitant is an overstatement because he may not even acknowledge you. DA's only take cases they can win. DA's aren't interested in intrafamilial abuse reports in the midst of divorce...

You have bad timing. You should have reported this before you were trying to separate. Oh, whoops, I forgot, they would have charged you, too!

Maybe you can work things out peacefully without involving the court.

When was the last time you worked things out "peacefully" with an abuser?

In good conscience, you allow your abuser to continue to have a relationship with the children he didn't abuse, well, directly abuse (or at least you think so). I don't know if you are really doing him a favor, or rather doing as the court would order you to do so, because you do know that the court will order you to do it, right (ask Ms. Leichtenberg and also ask the Paul family...family, because Monica Paul happens to be deceased)? Father's rights.

I know, I know. Yes, you have been abused, but now, yes, yes, you will be court ordered to continue to have a relationship with your abuser because kids deserve both parents. If you try to resist, they will call in the child custody evaluators and Guardians ad Litem and they will say things you would never imagine...because you ARE crazy, aren't you?

What mother would keep a father away from his children?

You know your abuser best

You know that when he makes threats, he can carry them through. You know if you don't meet his demands, you and your children will suffer. But if you try to protect yourself and the children, you risk losing custody to your abuser. And why would you want to put your kids in that situation? They don't want to live with him and if they do live with him, you already know how their lives will turn out. They will be like lost souls.

Sacrifice yourself...like Jesus Christ. Maybe you were put on earth to suffer for the sins of others.

You were supposed to be omniscient--to know that this man you chose would end up being an abuser.

You were supposed to be omnipresent--to know that this man would abuse your children while you were away at work, or school, or while he was away with the kids.

You were supposed to be omnipotent--to protect yourself and your children and to be able to hide and simultaneously remain visible, and to be able to leave your abuser, but let him remain in your life.

How do you want to die?

What do you want the news to say about you when you are murdered?

That you were nice? No, they won't say that! The neighbors and other members of the community will say how nice your abuser was. He was a family man. He played with the kids in the yard.

Everyone will be so shocked and sad that this happened. No one knew that you and your children were getting your asses kicked on a regular.

Your family may've thought you were crazy, or a bad mom, so they may've distanced themselves from you a long time ago. In fact, they may have ADORED your abuser.

Your children's friends will not come forward. They are children--either they won't tell anyway, or their parents won't let them.

You know who else might know? The teachers. But teachers are so busy disciplining and teaching to the test...and besides, it's too late for them to come forward now.

You see what you get for pretending and ignoring and trying to keep the family together? No credit.

Maybe the media will pull your court record and note that you tried to get a restraining order, but you didn't show up. More than likely, they will relay gossip about how you were having an affair and how you were always provoking your abuser. Because violence is mutual. Girls hit, too.

Didn't you know in advance that he was easily provoked? You should have checked his criminal record, or asked his ex.

Maybe your children will die, too. But everyone will talk about how tragic it was and how innocent they are. They, not you, because you had to have done something to make a nice guy want to kill you.

Or maybe you wanted to be killed, because who stays with an abuser anyway?

More evidence of TWAT BOB being the BOSS

Recognize the husband and father's traditional role as head of the household. End all forms of government interference, criticism, review, and police or judicial oversight of a husband's decisions regarding his wife, children and household.

So we are to take away thr right of a woman and/or a child to seek protection from the government from am abusive father's "discipline?"

TWAT BOB wants to be the BOSS

Support and recognize marriage as the age-old union of a man with one (or more in some cultures) women for the creation of children and family. The society has a legitimate purpose in supporting the production and education of the next generation, and marriage of a woman to a man is the way that society encourages and supports children families.

Are you saying TWAT BOB, that women should be subservient to men? Seen and not heard? And what if we are "heard"? Do we then suffer the "consequences?"

What do they want?

My next few posts will be devoted to what the FR/MRM activists REALLY want. And Mz. Petunia hears your uirgency when asking, why Mz. Pigg whatever do you mean? Stay tuned as I take several of their (lets call them "amusing") requests and 'dissect' said "requests". Now as they say in Hollywood, let's roll!!!!

Gee whiz - can they make up their minds now?

First the MRA/FR groups say that women are evil and try to tear up and destroy families. Then they condemn them because they want to keep a family together. Click Petunia to check out the latest ramblings on the CULT, and click here to get the full story. Unbelievably there are even some on that news site that are condemning this mother as well.....for keeping her family together....

Clive Boustred

Now I would be afraid if I was a court clerk and some strange man was coming in with numerous motions (or even just one) and acting in this fashion. You never know what is going to happen in a courtroom. Even with security people are able to sneak weapons into these offices, people can even be shot at while the perpetrator is not even in the courthouse (Darren Mack). So these clerks (IMO rightly so) had this man removed. Just watch the video and then we will dissect the "fan" (aka cultist) comments below the vid.

tenbarrels5

...To Clive, I can only say, America and its masses have betrayed you. Invest your resources into an escape, grab your children and go into hiding......

greenman92553

They day man is a evicted form his home, looses his right as a father and is trampled upon by the state is the day that man has the responsability to kill those who subjugate him

joe80dman

The cockroaches don't like being videoed, do they!?!? Did you see that dumb cop, using the stance that he was taught at the Academy, to intimidate this man from seeking justice? Is this JUSTICE in Communist California? Why does a father have to get permission from the State to see his own son? Where are the MEN in that state? They should storm that building with guns blazing! That's right, you all heard what I said. It's the only way to take back this country, brute force!

intrepidxxx

I trust patriots will deal with those criminals in due course. And I expect it to happen sooner than expected - although not soon enough for many.

Now folks what is wrong with these posts? They are all apparently men, they are all threatening acts of violence or illegal acts. And I will say it again - THESE ARE THE MEN WHO WANT TO RAISE OUR NEXT GENERATION?!?!?!?!?!?

Good dads?

These are the men folks who are these good dads who want responsibility for the children of the next generation......

Keep reading there will be more on this

Watch this video

"A lot of mothers can be vindictive bitches..."

"Social services decides to honor a restraining order that the 'so-called' mother...."

"Marital Rape is on the rise....all the wife has to do is say just before she leaves to her new boyfriend....is accuse a man....of rape....."

"There are people out there ready to put a bullet in a few judges' head, more than a few..."

Ahhhhhh poor MRA baby is all upset because the government is giving away money......

This poor little baby has his panties in a knot because the government under Obama is attempting to fix the mess left behind with years and years of this mess. Will he be able to fix it before we have another Great Depression? Before people are on ration cards as we once were in times of war? And what has this poor poor poor MRA all upset? In a 13 page summary report, one sentence on page 12. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what the subject matter of this one sentence in a 13 page report would be? Two words and the first is CHILD. I will leave the rest to your fertile imaginations.

Domestic sphere should be kept private?

When one parent has a well-founded fear that their former partner is abusing or neglecting their child, however, evidence for the courts can be hard to come by. The domestic sphere is largely opaque to the outside world. That is how it should be for the most part—invading the privacy of that sphere is usually unwarranted.

Now this statement is obscure at best and misleading at worst. Does the author intend for us to believe that spying is okay if it is done for a reason? Or is it only fathers who are allowed to do so? Or is this to state that ALL domestic issues (home life) should be kept private? I am sure these abusing and battering men would love that.....

More minimumization by an abuser?

Even if this Court disregards Mrs. XXX mental instability, the only portions of the State’s petition which her testimony could even remotely be considered to support are the State’s allegations that Mr. XXX had hit Mrs. XXX and left bruises on her, that Mr. XXX hit one of the children with his cane in either June or July of 2004, and that Mr. XXX had used hot sauce as a punishment upon two of the children.

and

The next witness called by the State was XXX XXX, the father of the minor children. Mr. XXX consistently denied all of the allegations contained within the petition, other than the hot sauce punishment. As to the hot sauce punishment, Mr. XXX submitted into evidence a parenting book wherein the hot sauce punishment is recommended. Whether this Court or any other may be morally opposed to said punishment is irrelevant, to adjudicate children deprived because someone followed the recommendations of a nationally published parenting book is improper.

and

The next witness called was the paternal aunt of the children, XXX XXX. According to Ms. XXX testimony, she and her brother are estranged. There is even a protective order in place between them. Accordingly, it seems clear that Ms. XXX would say or do anything to sully the character of Mr. XXX. Accordingly, her testimony should not be considered “competent” evidence.

Now, one must ask, is this indeed another abuser out to minimize his own actions? Or is he another one of the lunatic fringe MRA/FRs who feels he was justified? By his own words he feels he was justified in using a hot sauce punishment on at least 2 of his own children. Now in this blogger's opinion, that is tantamount to abuse of the worst kind. Imagine the horror about being given something by your parent, someone you trust, only to suffer the horrid taste and possible effects of hot sauce poisoning? One must also wonder what book TELLS a parent to torture their child with hot sauce?

One must also wonder why his sister is so dead set against him? Could it be she is one of those who find abuse morally repugnant and find those who would commit such evil acts morally bankrupt?

UPDATE!!!!

A quick web search has revealed that Focus on the Family might very well be the author of this questionable activity of using Hot Sauce as a disciplinary method on a child.

Glenn Discusses Single Motherhood/Fatherhood by Choice Movement on The Ron Smith Show in Baltimore

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Claudia Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
In the United States, unlike many other countries in the world, divorce is unilateral (one person decides) and no-fault (no reason needed). In addition the woman in this government sponsored action is richly rewarded by her decision to divorce. In a marriage, it is not if she will divorce him, it's when.

The single dad movement is a consequence of this, but it is spit in the ocean.

The single mother is the hope of the future. The money is on the table and the bet made, as there are now more families with single mothers as leaders than any other arrangement.

At the end of the day kids need and want their natural father and mother.

Quite ironically there is a post above this one which the MAN says that he speaks to his female friends and they all know they have the upper hand in a divorce. Must not be where I live, because all the women I speak to know they do NOT have the upper hand. I only have one comment towards this poster....You state that one person can decide to end the marriage and that person need not list any reason whatsoever. Well I did not want to end my divorce, I just wanted to end the abuse. So I guess under your theory, I could have been able to and should have been able to - end my marriage. And what of the children in our marriage? Should they continue to see father abusing mother? I cut nearly all contact with father out except for court ordered times and there is no abuse in my house. The rare exception is when contact is made by abusive dad. Children go to dads hosue and what happens there? Dad is Disneyland daddy. Dad badmouths mom. Dad tells children - you are just like your mom and then later goes on to say how bad mom is. What messages are being sent with his hate spewing. Children return to mother and a sort of deprogramming must take place. Children whine, scream, hit, abuse animals, refuse to comply with simple requests (pick up your toys, take a bath, time for friends to go home, time to wash clothes, time to set table, time for bed). After a few days of deprogramming the children are now back and whatever was sent home from dads has disappeared. Children ask what they can do to help - mom can I do dishes tonight? Mom see my room it is spotless (well not exactly spotless but at least you can walk on the floor without stepoping on cars, legos, or dolls). We then have about 6 or 7 good days - children do the few chores and their homework - and then the down cycle starts again. Children know that "dad" time is quickly approaching so they revert back to the "I don't have to do this". While the violence displayed when returning from dad's house is not as prevelanty it is still there to a degree. Child then goes to dad's and the cycle begins anew.

Should this child be exposed to the nastiness at dad's simply because he has rights? What rights does this child have?

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Tom Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I am planning on having a baby using a surrogate in 3-4 years.

I do agree however that it is a pretty expensive way to go: IVF will cost you $100,000 a pop, and is not guaranteed to work out (i.e. you may have to try multiple times).

Another alternative: have the same woman carry the baby and give her egg. It costs a lot less ($10,000 I think??) but comes with very high risk. If the mother decides to keep the baby at the end, the court will most likely grant it to her over the surrogate agreement, and you'd be liable for child support without ever seeing your child - not even for a day. That's a pretty horrible scenario!

Finally, taking care of a baby is a lot of work, if you want to keep your job, you have to pay for day care ($1,600 / month) or a maid (same amount but you need an extra bedroom).

And don't forget that baby clothes, food are very expensive too :)

So you need at least a 3-bedroom house (if you want a live-in maid), plus $200,000 for the medical procedure (2 tries), plus at least an extra $2,000 per month to pay the maid and baby needs.

It's not cheap, but if you can afford it, there is no doubt that it is the smartest thing to do (in my opinion anyway).

Please see my previous post on this cultist. Now words that time - no words this time. Don't need any, his insanity speaks for itself.

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Tom Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 11:53 am
To Danny:

There are options, you just have to be creative ;-)

For one, you can have the procedure done in a country where medical costs are a fraction of what they are in the US (think Russia or India).

Two, you can rack up some credit card debt to finance this; so what if you can't pay it back? Will they repossess your kids? Of course not.

Single parents have a lot of state and federal programs available for them, check them out.

Four, don't you think that your parents would love to baby sit your kids? That may be a way to save on the day care / maid..

More of this wonderful rhetoric from Male Supremists - take kids away from mom (or in this case make mom non-existent from the start) and get your family to 'babysit'. More of this logic can be seen here.

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Rev. Richard Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I'm a single father, and have been for seven years. There are some economic issues, but what really keeps us strong is keeping a positive relationship between their mother and I. They talk all the time on the phone and have a yahoo chat account to communicate with her as well.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't have become a single parent, but my daughter is really a happy child and knows she's loved by both of us.

This is all well and good Rev. Richard. I am happy for you. Now what do you say to all the women out here whose exes are extremely controlling and abusive? What do you say to the women whose exes said one thing before marriage, and then quickly flip-flopped after she was being controlled by him? Oh I know, women ALL lie about being abused, women ALL lie about how bad men are in order to get the best settlement from divorce possible. That is TRULY how all MRA acticists believe.

OMG!!!! "Is it a crazy idea or the way of the future?"

Click Petunia to read the post. This guy is the epitome of the anti-female, the woman hater of the year award. I want a child, but I cannot be bothered with the little technical issue of....oh you know - meeting different women, getting to know someone, falling in love, getting married, and then having a family. No this is what 'he' wants:

The advantages that I see are:
- very little risk of losing the children (although as some mentioned, the risk still exists)
- no insanely high child support payments to make
- no risk of being thrown in jail for failure to pay CS
- no need to close down my business (the CSA can't deal with individuals who have variable income like small business owners)
- no nagging wife ;)
- clean house
- home cooked meals :)
- over 80% savings over the cost of a western "wife"
- ability to keep dating women in my area without being accused of cheating on anyone!
- possibility to choose an "alpha-female" as egg-donor (basically a very beautiful and smart woman :)
- possibility to choose a relatively young surrogate mother, which lowers the risk of a lot of diseases for the children

Geesh can I gag myself right now? I can generally come up with a real zinger but for this one there are just no words. None at all!!!!!!!!!!

Post number 36

UPDATE: Glenn has changed how his blog displays (seperate post about this) so scroll down to posting made by TOM - I will be publishing post numbers from this point on.

Another one wants "accounting" of every cent of child support money

John D Says:

December 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
The fact that there are all these draconian jack-booted laws to squeeze every ounce of blood out of law-abiding fathers is a slap in the face if family courts/laws aren't going to go the extra step and mandate that custodial mothers are actually spending the money on the children.

Obviously when it comes to custodial mothers, the only detriment to not meeting their obligations (of spending CHILD support on the child, and obeying court-ordered visitation/access) is finger wagging, but when it comes to fathers not meeting their obligations (even when set artificially high) it's the lockup (and no meds too). This blows the theory out of the water that courts impose these strictures "for the children". Obviously it's "for the mom".

May I ask how a child support recipient is supposed to "show" taht every penny of support money is going to the child(ren)? Is she to set up seperate accounts with child support going in one and all other money going in another? Is she to divide down all bills in order to determine the child's portion? Is she to go so far as to figure out portions of each meal for the child and then figure out how much of the food bill is actually the child's portion? How far must the accounting go to satisfy father's need for power and control? How far must we go in order to satisfy his sense of entitlement?