Glenn Sacks again Attacks Protective Mothers and their supporters

Jennifer Collins is such a brave young woman and by all of her accounts as well as those of her brother and mother, she has lived a rather full life in her short 2 decades here. Yet she is constantly faced with attacks and falsehoods being spread about her. Does Sacks ever publish the fact that she DID attempt contact with her father as an adult woman who did not have to fear his alleged abuse? Did Sacks ever post about her father's response to her during said contact? NO SACKS DID NOT!

He did not do this because it does not fit into his neat little package of all those mean mommies out there stealing children from their fathers. (As if children were indeed 'property' and as such could be 'stolen').

This is just the tip of the iceberg on Sacks. Most of my readers know that Sacks disabled comments long ago on his blog. Thankfully there is no shortage of FReaks on the 'Net hating and abusing women.

Sacks attacks not only Holly Collins and Jennifer Collins, he goes on to attack TC. He does this by posting what should be her information and her child's information through his newsletter and blog. He gives what is presumably a minor child's name and location to his readers, many of whom have admitted themselves on his blog in the comment section to having been accused of sexual attacks on children. Smooth move exlax. Let's just possibly endanger even more children.

He is not even finished there. He attacks BN. He does this inferring that BN must have zero brain cells and is completely unable to make a rational decision on his own based on information he can accumulate on his own. I guess BN must be another one of those manginas that his readers spoke of so frequently.

Surprisingly he left BAZ alone. One must wonder why that is.

He also attacks AR in the same way he goes after BN. Again a lawyer who is highly respected in his field enough so that he can take on a hugely complicated case pro-bono and still maintain his other client load and get a good result for Holly Collins. Oh and lets not forget the mainstream reporters who followed the Collins case and actively reported on it as well. They must have been hypnotized by Holly or Jennifer or both. YEAH! That is it!!! Jennifer and holly are master hypnotists and were able to place ALL of these people under their spell and make them ALL believe EVERY word uttered by them. Yeah there we go!

He goes on to attack several other presenters at the BMCC which will go unnamed as it is simply more drivel and unnecessary to show his absolute hatred of any woman/mother claiming to be a protective mother.

In closing let's look at "HIS" conclusion to his huge "attack" journalism:

Fathers and Families is working for a family court system which properly and impartially investigates abuse claims so that abuse victims are protected but unscrupulous litigants are prevented from employing false claims against the innocent.

Fathers and Families has always been concerned about and stood against domestic violence—domestic violence organizations should make it clear that they are concerned about and stand against false accusers.

My Conclusion:

Fathers and Families is working for a family court system which improperly investigates abuse claims so that abuse victims are not protected but unscrupulous litigants are able to employ false claims against the abused.

Fathers and Families has never been concerned about nor stood against domestic violence—domestic violence organizations are the only ones concerned about and standing against false accusers.

May I also add - how quickly we forget about The Family Place and DART? Or the great work Ampersand from "Alas a Blog" did for TFP regarding the cruel and unusual treatment from Sacks? Or what about his little experiment he undertook in order to "prove" that women's shelters (ummmm duh 'WOMEN'S should give you a clue) were engaging in bias and discrimination against men. That these 'women's shelters' should have their federal funding removed due to this discrimination? How about we start removing the funding from ALL of the Fatherhood Initiative programs that are biased against and discriminate against - mothers?

Ahhhh who cares about poor little women. Ain't got the important parts anyway and all they are good for is making babies for us to control and manipulate and so we can stroke our egos. Visit Jennifer's blog and her two part article to see how much Sacks 'strokes' his own ego. Truly eye-opening stuff there.

Nuff said with this. Ladies (and those few true men who support us) we are in for the fight of our lives. Our children are depending on us.

More Stodfart lies and hate

Why shouldn't Claudine be supported? Is she not a parent who is being denied the right to see her child - just like many of the MEN you support? Oh I guess Claudine has the wrong equipment.



Yes lets hope that Dr Phil sees PA/PAS/PAD for what it is - another ploy to get money by court whores.



You were appalled - why? Because Dr Phil will expose the father's rights moevment for what it is?



Claudine is a hero! Just like Holly Collins, Jennifer Collins, Genia, Wendy and the other mothers and children who have gone before and after her.

Protest Glenns Sacks and Father's and Families at the Cincinnati Zoo

Father's and Families supporters will be at the Cincinnati Zoo on September 5th for a "Cheetah Run". I am asking all who live in Cincinnati or those close bring your signs and protest this blogger who would steal a child from a loving and caring mother, this blogger who would lie about an adult child (Jennifer Collins) and her experiences as a young child, and this blogger who only publishes untruths about family court.

If you do manage to get there please send pictures and let us know how it goes. I think this should be done wherever any of these unscrupulous fathers rights activists will be.

Tim O'Brien and his "research"

Tim OBrien Says:

November 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Wow. Hard to believe they're still dragging out Genia as an example....

Well, Tim all I have to say to this little comment is just give it a few years. The so-called feminists as you like to lump us into one group, will have many more cases for you to do your supposed research on. Oh and be prepared, what you will find will be ugly (for your side). But oh I guess then you will dig up some obscure or absuive relative of the mothers and children in these cases to say they are abusive or worse. Kind of reminds me what has happened to Jennifer Collins (A NOW GROWN WOMAN WHOSE FATHER REFUSED TO SPEAK TO HER) and her mother Holly Collins. Will you villify the upcoming moms and kids like you have done with genia and Holly and the kids like Jennifer? Got news for you bub, my children are much more stubborn than any of the children who have spoken to date. I am much more stubborn than the moms out there (not saying they are not). And you will be facing a brick wall when my children and I come forward and when some of these other chidlren and moms come forward. So be prepared... Hasta Manana bub...........(when is manana in these cases? just wiat and see)

Will the MRA's ever leave Holly Collins and Jennifer Collins alone?????

I doubt it. He is getting too much free press by using this story of heartache. He is using Jennifer, Holly and their siblings in order to further a dangerous stance - the stand that all parents deserve or "have the right" to equal custody. NO THEY DO NOT!!! When on parent is abusive, then he/she shoudl not be allowed to influence children in any way. The children who are now grown have stated the father not only abused their mother, but also them. GS get over yourself and find some other story to talk about. Quit using and FURTHER ABUSING this mother and her GROWN children!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Loony mom slipped through the cracks?

Taken from:

McCarty's case is more hopeful than Collins' in one respect--Italian authorities have at least removed the boy from his loony mom, whereas Holly Collins slipped through the cracks in the Dutch immigration system and was allowed to remain in Holland with her kidnapped children in her care.

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4143

Actually do you not read the MSM news? Holly Collins was GRANTED ASYLUM. Geesh these men will never give up until they completely destroy women.

Glenn just can't let sleeping dogs lie, he must continue...

So I will continue as well. Jennifer Collins who I might add is now an adult has posted proof positive (lets just go with the head injuries sustained by her brother - one was a closed head trauma wound sustained at a entertainment venue, the second was sustained by abuse from his father and it was an open wound head trauma. Can you men not read? You seem to have an adequate grasp of the English language because you can sure spout the drivel. Why can't you learn to read? And maybe learn to read everything, not just what you are spoon fed by an obviously ill person (quite possibly BI)? because that would be too easy for you and you just might have to admit that yes some women have been abused by men, those same men do use the courts to punish those women for leaving and those men do hurt children. Oh but to do that would be to admitting to a cardinal sin. Men are never bad, if us dumb womenfolk would just learn to listen to our menfolk and learn to obey those same menfolk there would never be any abuse. But us womenfolk actually have minds and we want to have ideas, we want to have lives, we want to have friends. We want our own money. We want freedom to do as we choose. Last I looked we did live in America - land of the free and home of the brave. Oh but I digress, this freedom is only for MEN. Again....there are just no words. Leave this woman (I should say leave these WOMEN - because Jennifer Collins is a woman) ALONE!!!!!

Jerk!!!!

Collins - an examination of the facts

Glenn Sacks states that the first problem is that Holly has made complaints of abuse against a wide variety of people. On this list are her mother, stepfather, an old landlord, a neighbor in the Netherlands, The new wife of Mark, Mark, and Jeff Imm. Okay so she has made those claims. Just because she says they are true and they say they are not true does not make them any less true. I have lived over 4 decades and in the course of that time have run up against some extremely caring people, and I have met some very nasty people. In terms of what is considered abusive, what I might feel is abusive, someone else might not think the same. So why is it up to an outsider to determine if Holly felt abused? I will not even argue this position with someone of Glenn's caliber. If a man says he was abused, it is believed by Glenn and by all of his cult (well some of his cult I should say because Glenn does allow a few posters who dissent on his forum, just so he can keep it interesting).

Problem two he claims is that Holly has made a variety of violence claims in several courts and they all have found against her. Again this means nothing as women in today's culture are very often found not credible due to the emotional aspect of these issues.

Batterers naturally strive to turn mediation and GAL processes to their advantage, through the use of various tactics. Perhaps the most common is to adopt the role of a hurt, sensitive man who doesn't understand how things got so bad and just wants to work it all out "for the good of the children." He may cry in front of the mediator or GAL and use language that demonstrates considerable insight into his own feelings. He is likely to be skilled at explaining how other people have turned the victim against him, and how she is denying him access to the children as a form of revenge, "even though she knows full well that I would never do anything to hurt them." He commonly accuses her of having mental health problems, and may state that her family and friends agree with him. The two most common negative characterizations he will use are that she is hysterical and that she is promiscuous. The abuser tends to be comfortable lying, having years of practice, and so can sound believable when making baseless statements. The abuser benefits to the detriment of his children if the court representative fails to look closely at the evidence - or ignores it - because of his charm. He also benefits when professionals believe that they can "just tell" who is lying and who is telling the truth, and so fail to adequately investigate.

Excerpt from Lundy Bancroft UNDERSTANDING THE BATTERER IN CUSTODY AND VISITATION DISPUTES

In other words Holly was found even less credible with every allegation she raised. Just because this happens in court (according to a leading domestic violence expert) does not mean that a woman (specifically Holly) is lying about abuse. It could very well mean that Mark has played the abuser card, managed to woo the evaluators into his corner by doing as Bancroft has stated. He wowed them with his concern and knowledge and his care for the children 'appeared' to be that of a good father. Just because he appears to be a good father does not make him a good father. Glenn also states that any litigant is able to get an RO simply for whoing up. This is not true at all. In my own case I have attempted to get 2 RO's after the original permanent one was dropped by the judge and I could not even get a temporary order. In fact, in the second order I was told that obnoxious behavior is not against the law. So point two has now been countered. It is highly possible that due to Holly's naivete of court procedures and that the fact that once a court finds against you more than 2 or 3 times, any further reports will be viewed in the same light. Kind of a reverse boy who cried wolf if you will. She cried once without enough documentation (you see courts want proof even though this is civil court and only a preponderance of the allegations should have to be proven, many times the courts and the officers of the courts rely on the standard for criminal courts - beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is possible in all cases of dv due to the very hidden nature of this crime).

Glenn then states that Zachary sustained the alleged injury not from his father, but at an amusement park. He sustained TWO (repeat 2, not 1 but 2!!!!) head injuries. The first was at the amusement park, but the second was by his father. So here we go again with leaving ut parts of the truth and only saying what you think the reader should hear (talk about your censorship).

Glenn then says issue number 4 is that a reputable child psychiatrist disputes Holly's claims. he (the psychiatrist says this because the children appear to be doing well under the father's care while the father had custody. Do you the reader honestly think that Mark would be kicking the children's dog, slamming their heads into walls, punching and shoving Holly with a psychiatrist present. Also we must look at this logically. We are talking about 2 young children here. What if this scenario was present instead. Dad abuses child and then tells child, if you tell on me they will take you away from me, your mom is crazy so you won't go with her. Then father attempts to woo child by buying child something or promising to not abuse. This is typical of your batterer and the honeymoon, escalation and abuse cycles. The abuser escalates in his anger and violence until you have the actual incidents of violence. he then enters into the honeymoon phase. If an adult victim can be wowed by this and think things will change, how is a child to react? Jennifer and Zachary were quite probably scared out of their wits. The issues of child abuse and domestic violence have been around since creation, only to be recognized as such in the 20Th century. In fact, child abuse was not viewed as a crime and the first documented case of child abuse was brought on by the ASPCA in the late 1800's. However, the system is far from perfect. In reading Jennifer's website, we see that Zachary spoke to his therapist/psychiatrist about his fears of his father. And yet again we have a professional who cannot see the writing on the wall. Jennifer and Zachary have both disproved Glenn on this point clearly and without a doubt. I will now drop this due to their requests. Future posts will not be entertained. I wish Jennifer all the best. I wish Zachary all the best. I wish Holly all the best. I also pray that God puts a veil of protection over this family and keeps them safe from the harm that might occur from these rabid father's rights groups. These groups and those who run them really should get a life.

Stalking an abuse victim and her children through the 'Net and offline

One must wonder what would possess a man who by his own words has an extremely fulfilling and happy home life with two children and a wonderful wife t do this. What do I mean by this? He has endeavored to take on 'proving' Holly Collins and her children wrong. He wants to brand Holly a liar, he wants the world to think she has some strange disease which is not even listed in any medical book as a RECOGNIZED mental disease or condition. What is the mysterious malady of which I am speaking? Why PAS dear readers..... Parental Alienation Syndrome. Apparently Jennifer's father wants people to believe he is a nice guy (more on that later) who has been victimized in the worst possible way. His ex-wife Holly has stolen his children and spirited them away to the Netherlands. And GS has decided it is his mission to prove this woman wrong. He wants to re victimize the victim, as her abuser has done over and over. And this is just Holly, I have yet to start on what he is trying to do to Jennifer and Zachary. It might also be noted that Zachary remains quiet on these issues. Even though he is now an adult and no longer under the jurisdiction of the US court who gave custody of him to his alleged abusive father, he still REFUSED to return to the States. He REFUSED and as far as I know, still REFUSES to speak to his father.

And then we have GS sitting all high and mighty is his nice house in California, being a good little househusband, running his websites, charging men's rights groups 10 a week to run a dinky sized ad in the hopes that one of his cult followers would click on one of those ads. nice little racket going there. Get these already quite possibly unstable men riled up, charge others money to place small banner ads on your site and be able to stay at home with your children. Geesh where do I find a job like that?

Now folks you have a slight background on this (and please Jennifer if you notice any corrections needed on what has been posted to date please email me). It is now nearly 2 am, I must get my beauty sleep, so the fireworks will have to wait until tomorrow. I do promise it will come :-)

Okay enough fooling around, now it is serious time

Well the time has come folks and it is now time to get serious. Sadly I knew this day would come. Some people are like dogs. Give them a bone and they will never let go until the bone is in shreds, torn into tiny little slivers. This is now what is being done to Jennifer Collins, Holly Collins, Zachary Collins, and to Holly's minor child whose name I will not mention due to his age. His natural father (from what I have read) can only be classified in the questionable category. What type of father who claims to be interested in a child's best interest wants to root the child up from the only environment he has ever known and from his entire family? I will offer my own opinion on this and it is green and there are quite a few of them and they have pictures of dead presidents on them.

Amazingly we have yet to hear any denials from the now famous father of Jennifer and Zachary. No denials.... nothing.... One must wonder why this is? And of course we have the ever famous (maybe in his mind and the minds of his cult followers) man who has decided to make it his life's mission to rip this mother to shreds as a dog would a good bone. I will say one thing in this post before I get to the hard work. The children in question were 7 and 9 when the mother fled the US. This is old enough to form an opinion about something. To delude yourself into thinking that these children could not have possibly remembered themselves or their mother being abused is quite frankly - in a word - disgusting.

Now folks the posts you have been anxiously awaiting are on the way. This could very well be a several day project, so please be patient. He has pretended to engage in a full investigation of Holly's charges and claims, yet he only presents one side of the issues. I will now take all of his claims and using the Internet will show why his claims and how his claims can be proven false. Also be warned, this post will probably not provide the entertainment value of some of my previous posts. But then again, it just might. This is something I need to do. I feel as though I know Jennifer, although we have never met. I see my own daughter and sons in her eyes and in Zachary's eyes. I see myself in Holly's eyes. I only hope that things can start changing.

Holly, Jennifer, Zachary... this is for you. I can only hope I will do you justice and bring to light the truth. My prayer is that you Holly will see this and say yes yes yes over and over again, this is what I meant, this is what I was talking about. SHE gets it. Well I get it because I live it. So with that my sisters in this war, I salute you. Let's get on with this.

More on Collins

I should add that one of Glenn's ever faithful followers made a comments regarding the picture Jennifer Collins chose to post on her blog when speaking of Glenn. Now Glenn has posted about some obscure band (OTEP) and used a picture to post about this band. Take a look at the picture of the female lead singer. She is scowling (growling), eyes shut tight, teeth clenched, unkempt. Now I am sure Glenn as well as myself knows that image is everything. He is trying to present OTEP as some psychotic individual.

Again I do not agree with the music, but to take someones choice to listen to this away would be taking away my right to choose what I hear. I remember my mother hating my music choices (Guns and Roses, The GoGo's, Lita Ford, Blondie, and more from that famous decade - lol). I also remember when she finally 'got it' and decided that we really weren't listening to music that was all that bad. She remembered listening to the Beatles in her youth and young adulthood. She wasn't one of the crazy Beatle-mania followers, she simply liked their music.

Now my children and nieces and nephews listen to Britney wailing out Womanizer, If I were a Boy, Get the party started, Girlfriend, Promiscuous Boy, and Milkshake by others I could very well do the same as my parents and their parents before them. Or I could listen to these songs and determine why I deem them offensive and then maybe they won't be so offensive. I also feel that if I am open to my children (as evidenced by my nieces and nephews), I will be sought out.

Same goes for my young child who loves Hannah Montana. Dad hates that little blond hussy (as he calls her) and refuses to allow her to see HM. I on the other hand will watch with her. HM while I do not think she is more for the younger girls - she is not bad and quite entertaining at times. I mean does anybody recall sneaking out of your house to go to the movies or to hang out with your friends?

The point of this whole conversation however, is to show that cultist from over there are so gleeful to point out Ms. Collins evil doings and wrongs committed towards GS, he (GS) does the exact same thing towards OTEP.

OTEP keep making your music. I will NOT buy it, I hope my children will never buy it, but there are those that like it and in those people you have a following. Freedom to express ourselves is wonderful isn't it?

Polish Knight - welcome to OUR world - the world of TRUTH

Polish Knight is yet again attacking Jennifer Collins, Holly Collins, and their family. Right in the open and then he goes on to say that Jennifer cannot provide any proof of attacks? OPEN YOUR EYES NIMWIT!!!!

PolishKnight Says:

January 8th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
One thing I'm hoping will continue is that the feminists and lawyers continue to represent "dog" cases such as this and Holly Collins. They have yet to come up with a legitimate case of an abuser exploiting PAS.

Collins Family on Sacks - final chapter (hopefully)

And this one is actually 'nice'... I must say that Lisa KS is extremely fair and tries to view things with an open mind (and no I am not just saying this because of her nice comments because there have been times I do not agree with her, I think she tries to view things openly and not approach something with the dead-on determination of woman bad man good as many of Sacks cult does). Whew that was long!!!! Well on to her post. No more commentary - the post speaks for itself. Lisa KS has reached the point I reached (probably not as bad, but close) and she speaks her mind. Now I wonder if she will be banned as I was? Probably not because she writes for the Dissident column and therefore brings more traffic to Sacks' site. The co-bloggers from her site as well as other who follow her blog as well as normal feminists. So Glenn generates a lot of traffic which bring his stats up and in turn he can now produce these inflated stats to his advertisers as to what they are getting for their 9.95+ a week for the ads placed around his site.

Lisa KS Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Okay, this is it. Eww! I'm sorry, Glenn, but this is so gross, I can't do this anymore. At all! You've printed many stories since I first started reading your blog about kids who talk about how their mother unfairly alienated them from their father, etc., and never once have you suggested that your readers investigate any of them to ascertain whether or not they were telling the "truth." And yes, Jennifer Collins has every right to be offended--you're running right over her by saying you have "no idea" what happened between her and her father, because she's clearly willing to say what did, and she is twenty-three years old...not three, not thirteen--twenty-three...and you are acting as if she doesn't exist--you pointedly did not contact her at all. You take the word of any other twenty-three-year-old...as long as that twenty-three-year-old is claiming that he or she was abused, abducted or kidnapped wrongly by his or her mother. And if the father is asking you to do this, you've been remarkably silent about that--it really appears that you personally just hate the existence of this story and are determined to crush it underfoot--putting up some diatribe from someone who is only willing to identify him or herself by initials who claims that during supervised visits, they got the real idea of what was going on..

Visit Lisa KS site here.

Collins family part 2

Continued from below:

PolishKnight Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Maybe she was better off with her dad after all...

LisaKS, without even cracking open a single court document and merely looking at this woman's own blog, it's obvious that she suffers from paranoia, craves attention and validation from her mother, and childishly (literally) demonizes those who disagree with her. She continually portrays herself both as a child deserving of unconditional sympathy AND as an adult whose word about events as a child should be unquestioned. Ponder all that as you read on:

Look at the picture drawn by her brother on the web site that portrays a girlfriend of her father as a demon. It's disturbing not for the reason that she is claiming (her father and all those who agree with him are evil!) but rather that the hostility directed at her father is seething rather than reactionary to anything he specifically did. This woman's crime was dating her father and for that she is labeled a monster. This attitude exists to the current day. This woman did NOTHING wrong to deserve such seething hatred!

Glenn's picture is also unflattering. It's grainy and his face is puffy and his hand is shown in a menacing motion. This is an allegory for how she distorts those associated with her father, and opposing her mother, as warped and evil. At the same time, she knows to worship her mother because after seeing what happened to her father for getting on his bad side, it's best to not cross "mommy dearest."

Her blog is vast but from what I went through, all the documented claims of her father's abuse are specious and based upon her emotional interpretation of what he said. If he admitted he was in the same room where an injury occurred, that's a confession of guilt. If he didn't use the exact same words to describe an event years later, that's a sign of him changing his story. She claims to have letters from Glenn's "followers" threatening her (you can almost see the tears as she looks for sympathy) but no examples or even snipets of such. Anyone disagreeing with her is "attacking" her.

One thing is for sure: This is one messed up young woman.

Did you ever think (and I know it is documented in Jennifer's blog - that when she and her brother lived with their father, the significant other to dad (the 'second' and we know all about them....) was abusive in her own right? Oh of course not because all 'seconds' are wonderful. Yeah right.........(rolls eyes)...........

Jennifer could see Glenn in this way - you do not know what is in her head. I myself see a puffy man too....but that is another post ;-)

And why has she not posted the threatening emails? Maybe she wants them to go away!!! I myself receive many hate letters from this site, and they all get that magic button - the one called DELETE!!!!! Same with the 'hate' posts......

Burke Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
" She claims to have letters from Glenn's "followers" threatening her (you can almost see the tears as she looks for sympathy) but no examples or even snipets of such. Anyone disagreeing with her is "attacking" her.

One thing is for sure: This is one messed up young woman."

I would agree with you here, although horrid abuse may have taken place, there sure seem to be some holes in there. That being said, both kids going to university and taking pyc scares me a little. Someone that unstable hopefully will not be able to play with peoples heads.

Wow Burke - I think you need to bottle that magic long distance, over the Internet ability you have of diagnosing psychiatric/mental illnesses. You could make a fortune for yourself as well as help the whole world by teaching this ability to others. Just like.......wow!!!!!

Burke Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
.........I didn't even catch that the first time i read the site. I have to admit that I have rolled over a few times and smacked my wife pretty good and she has done it to me too. I actually came close to rolling over with my arm once right after she had nose surgery which would have been incredibly damaging had my arm of landed Elbow to Nose. These transcripts are not an admision of physical abuse at all.

Of course not because you are thinking with the 'victimized male brain'.... To think otherwise and post that on here would be tantamount to being called out as a traitor.......

PolishKnight Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Freud would feel proud...

Burke says: "That being said, both kids going to university and taking pyc scares me a little. Someone that unstable hopefully will not be able to play with peoples heads."

PK responds: That PROVES she's crazy. Someone responsible going into that field and playing with someone else's head would be sure to put their own house in order first. This woman's clearly is not.

I remember dating some women psych majors and they generally were the most nuts. One such woman actually got turned on by my ignoring her and being a "bad boy." I stopped playing that game and she lost interest in me quickly.

This woman is going to be carrying our her grudge against her father, and all estranged fathers, on any man unlucky enough to wander into her lair. Then again, since she's gone to such trouble to put all her emotional pain and demons (literally) out for the world to see, that will help these men's attorneys to discredit her. If only all such social workers were so open about their daddy issues!

Nowhere did I see her say she would be working with men. She has, however, stated she wants to be an abuse victim advocate. And yet again - all women who want to work in a field that is deemed to supposedly be a 'male-only' field are nuts - more nuts and sluts theory in action here folks.....

PolishKnight Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
More Holes than Dunkin' Doughnuts

......Here's what I think: If she was my kid, I'd say good riddance. Yes, I know they're both brainwashed and as children, they are victims, but even as a child I knew the difference between right and wrong. I know plenty of children who did awful, terrible things due to peer pressure but I also know some who grew up and realized they had made a mistake and atoned for it. She's absolutely right: She's a grown woman today but she can't go running back to the playpen and cry she was abused as a child when confronted. Either be an adult OR a child! She had the opportunity to tell the truth as a child and she blew it. She has an opportunity to tell the truth today, and she's still blowing it.

Ummm - SHE DID TELL THE TRUTH WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD - THEY 'CHOSE' TO IGNORE HER NIMWIT.

tweesdad Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Not much to learn from this case. Even if the father in this case was abusive...

1. that does not invalidate the existence and widespread occurrence of PAS in other cases. Saying that "PAS didn't apply to me, so it must never be true for anyone and therefore is an abuser's strategy" is one heck of an extrapolation.

2. it also does not absolve the mother in this case of "justified" PAS, i.e. continually forcing the kids to relive and recount the horrible things that happened to them as opposed to helping them heal and move on. (Not saying that the mother did that, but the daughter's constant anger and need for validation from everyone including Glenn would be consistent with that).

There doesn't seem to be any value to publicizing this case or having others "investigate" it from the outside, since it would be impossible to draw general conclusions about the system, or about PAS, in either direction.

Well then let's just ignore BMCC and the Stop Family Violence petition AND THE HUNDREDS OF MOMS WHO VISIT SITES REGARDING THIS VERY SCENARIO, daily?

I guess Burke passed on the 'special' skill to tweesdad.......

I agree with the last paragraph. The only purpose to investigate is to lead Jennifer's father to Glenn's site and therefore get another ally to 'the cause.' Oh and let's not forget we want to humiliate Holly as well, that is always fun in the MRA mind.....

Pankaj Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Stockholm syndrome causes the victims to side with their abusers. Note that Jennifer is not as much attacking the father, but defending her mother. Hence I think it could be a case of stockholm syndrome happening here. Whatever it is, I sympathize with Jennifer - for one way or the other, she was abused by at least one of her parents - it does not matter which one, it still is sad.

Pankaj is in possession of the wondrous long distance, Internet traveling diagnostic skills as well. One must wonder if this is simply an MRA-based skill or can anyone acquire it?

From porky himself:

Nelson Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Whatever the truth is here, there's no doubt that Jennifer is either very dishonest or very irrational- either that or she thinks her readers are complete fools. At her site she posts as evidence for her claims things that actually contradict said claims. For example, she says her dad admitted to breaking her moms nose, yet in the transcript she gives us, he claims he did it, but by accident. Clearly this is not a confession of wrong doing.

Under the heading of "PAS or PAE (Perpetrators’ Abuse Excuse)" she gives transcripts in which a "Susan DeVries – Family Court Services Custody Evaluator:" tells us that "My evaluation of these children strongly indicates to me that there has been interference in the relationship between Mr. Collins and the children…" which of course contradicts her claim that PAS is just an excuse. Also in the transcript offered by Jennifer herself...
"Question: Is there any reason why she (Holy) is not going to continue her children’s alienation from the father?

DeVries: There is certainly no guarantee that that won’t happen." In other words, by saying that it may continue DeVries is implying that it has already happened.

It's a very weird site and if i were a shrink i would say that here is a young woman struggling desperately to believe things which deep down she knows are not true.

Wow porky has the MRA psych skill too!!!!!!! Oh and porky - oh I mean nelson - have you ever heard of the abuser tactic of.......(drum roll) MINIMIZATION? Gee, guess not (L on forehead)......

Anonymous Woman Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
When we were kids, this nice, quiet lady my father used to work with would give my brother and I very expensive presents at Christmas. Later, I wondered why she did that...she was good friends with my father, but my brother and I didn't know her very well. Turns out she had two sons her ex-husband fled the country with. Much later, my father said the sons' father had brainwashed them to the extent they wanted nothing to do with their mother as adults.
I have no doubt a woman is capable of doing this as well; a father taking off with his kids is automatically viewed as an evil abuser. I don't think it's too much to ask for hardcore proof that this woman was justified in fleeing the country.

Nelson said,
"It's a very weird site and if i were a shrink i would say that here is a young woman struggling desperately to believe things which deep down she knows are not true."

I have to agree, I couldn't nail down anything in her site. She's all over the place. I especially loved the part where she accused Glenn of mobilizing 50,000 readers to discredit the word of an abused child.

This is because when you hear a woman has taken a child or children it is because she is trying to protect them from abuse. When a father takes a child or children it is because he wants to take them away from the mother.

I find it hard to believe about the 50,000 too. God help this world if there are that many of "YOU" out there (speaking to MRAs of course)....

ManCan Says:

December 31st, 2008 at 4:46 am
We need to be very skeptical of abuse claims. We know that feminists and other exploitive individuals and groups love to use them to advance their bizarre agendas and to make money.

Oh feminists also sit back and say to themselves - selves we must find some more poor deranged women and children to claim being abused so we can make tons of money. This is because we are exploitative and bizarre, you know....

PolishKnight Says:

January 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Grow up and support your case

Jennifer Collins asks: "Are you forgetting that I am a 23 year old abuse victim?"

PK answers: No, Jennifer, we haven't forgotten because you _aren't_ a 23 year old abuse victim. You read me right. You're a 23 year old woman who claims to have been abused by your father when you were a child. This alleged abuse happened more than a decade ago but you refer to it as if it was yesterday. If this discussion was only about you, personally, then we could allow room for compassion and handle you with kid gloves. But you seek to use your own personal situation as an example to set public policy which opens you, and your story, up for criticism and debate.

You have now chosen to post a drect comment in Glenn's forum so your not an unwilling participant, at least here. Your claims of abusive emails from "abusive men" due to Glenn's article is a perfect allegory for your situation. Are you exaggerating what happened or do you have something to back it up? Post the worst 2 emails here, with headers and IP addresses, and we'll evaluate what happened. Otherwise, we don't know if you're crying wolf or not.

That's the adult world.

Now Polish Knight is directly 'attacking' Jennifer.... Let me explain something to you PK... Just because she posts on a site does not give other readers the right to attack her based on her comments. You were one of MY main attackers when I was allowed the 'courtesy' (NOT!!!) of posting on Glenn's site. Now that he removed that privilege, I am much happier posting here in my corner. Get a clue and get a life!!!!!



Now that I have finished with my analysis of some pretty sick stuff, I must post something positive. My next post for those waiting will be short, sweet, and to the point. Lisa KS is an awesome blogger (and well liked at my house due to some of her gaming choices lol).

Holly Collins and the Collins family under attack yet again by Sacks and cult

This poor family cannot get a rest it seems. First they are attacked by a vengeful judge and GAL, then attacked again by the half brother's father and his wife, then by Sacks, and again by Sacks. It is hard to tell which one is worse, although the cult takes this to a new high (low?). And what does the cult have to say about this? Well to save you, the reader, the agony of having to click Petunia, I will post some of the 'better' comments here, so you may get an idea of the hatred for this poor woman in her plight to save her children from a life of abuse. They start out comical and slide steadily downhill from there (and be warned - this post will be long).

Charlie Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Collins continues to look for a life, and exploits the media in that quest. Another person not happy with her 15 minutes of fame.

I 'highly doubt' that when Jennifer was 8 or 9 years old years old that she said to herself - self, I want to be in the public eye when I am 23, so I am going to let my father keep abusing me just so I will not have '15 minutes of fame.' And then when it looks like I am falling out of the public view, I will harp on some poor men's rights website so I can keep myself in the public eye. I am soooooooooo sure Jennifer said this to herself when she was 8. (NOTE THE SARCASM HERE!!!!)

TF Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
So, she is alienated from her father. What does she remember about her father that was not drilled into her by her mother? If she doesn't condemn her father, her mother will reject her. Abuse is a great word without any clear definition, so is anything which is unpleasant abuse?
Look at any PA site and see that the daughter's reaction is typical of alienated children. Will the daughter talk to her father or hear what he has to say and offer; NO. Has the daughter talked to all the others who supported her father,NO. That is the Parental Alienation.
Pure brainwashing; just as the North Koreans thank their Great Leader when foreign doctors come to North Korea to restore their lost eyesight. The alienated child praises the aliennator for her alienation.

Okay, not very much commentary will be needed here. Jennifer was old enough to remember for herself abuse at her father's hands. The 'duh' award of the day goes to this poster :-)

Sister Charity Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
This family is suffering and Jennifer has obviously been abused by one of her parents, but I am not sure that it is her father that was abusive to her. She sounds very much like other adults that I have spoken to when they are still under the control of an alienator. I pray that she is able to move on to have a healthy and truthful relationship with both of her parents.

It has been my experience that the majority of people that attack PA/HAP have never lived with the pain of the targeted parent nor that of the alienated child. If someone really looks at the tatics used by a person using PA/HAP and the tatics used by a person that actually is abusive and guilty of DV they might be surprised to find out that it's the same hurt inflicted on the victims.

Okay, pages upon pages of court documents whereby her father has admitted to abuse, and you still think mom is the abuser? Get a real life please. It must also be pointed out (per postings on Jennifer's own blog and in the news reports on this situation) that Jennifer did try to communicate with her father. He REFUSED!!!!

Infidel Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I believe that Jennifer Collins was a victim of PAS based on her letter to Glenn. Whenever a women use the term "real man" to try and shame a man into doing something it raises flags. Maybe a poor little girl with no father had to come up with reasons in her 8 year old mind for the trauma she felt. "If he really loved me he'd cross the ocean and come get me", she may have told herself while crying herself to sleep over the pain in her heart. And the mother fed the dark hole by poisoning the memory of the man in a hundred ways overt and covert.

Geraldo, Mr. Prompt, is such a piece of sycophant slime. Glenn, how you shared a stage with him like a gentleman shows a lot of intestinal fortitude and restraint!

Jennifer is rightfully angry that a person she has never met would suggest that people in essence stalk her and peer into her life, all in the name of proving her story. SHE SAYS SHE WAS ABUSED AT HER FATHER'S HANDS, HER BROTHER SAYS HE WAS ABUSED AT HIS FATHER'S HANDS, SO WHY MUST THEY 'PROVE' THIS? And yet again when you cannot debate, you resort to nastiness as displayed towards Geraldo.

mjaybee Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Well, Lisa:

Since Jennifer Collins may have been on the receiving end of distorted information about her father and was abducted from him, don't you think that may make her an unreliable source of information?

Isn't the search for objective information in cases like this more important than the he said/she said hearsay which so often sways judges in Family Court?

For a biased, censorship-loving blogger who usually only tolerates one side of a story on your own blog, you sure have a lot of nerve criticizing Glenn for an open-minded search for objective information.

Lisa's comment will get its own post since it is just about the only post that defends the Collins' family - specifically Jennifer. Now onto this poster......Do I need to say it again? Jennifer was abused and has clear recollections of that abuse. She was not a baby, toddler, or preschooler when this happened. She was 9 years old!!!!

Dittohd Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Sorry, when I listened to that girl on the video and she said her father was "always" abusive, I immediately stopped believing her. She didn't strike me as credible at all. She gave the impression that she came to that show ready for bear and just couldn't wait to heap on her father, and I'd bet she remembers of him only what her mother told her.

Ummm okay - this is real logical. My ex was 'always' abusive to me when the abuse started, so I guess I should not be believed either. Runner-up 'duh' award.

From 'him':

Here you’re essentially asking me to take Jennifer’s word for it, against the ruling of the court, and independent of any evidence except her and her mother’s claims. I think that’s asking a lot. And contrary to what you may believe, I generally don’t do that for fathers, either.

No he just publicizes many 'anonymous' letters from men, second wives, grandmothers, friends about 'supposed' bad acts by mothers. But that is 'okay.'

Also, Jennifer was very young—seven years old or younger—when the alleged abuse happened. Given that children are sometimes programmed by an alienating parent to believe various things about the target parent, I think it’s fair of me to not simply take this as the gospel truth.

Thirdly, time and again the Feminist Family Law Movement has foisted cases on the media—cases which I’ve investigated--which have turned out to not be at all what the FFLM claims. For example, the Sadia Loeliger case was publicized by the same people who are helping to publicize the Jennifer Collins case. The FFLM told us that Loeliger was a heroic mom who had lost custody of her daughter due to her ex-husband's family court machinations.

He then states that Jennifer was 'too young' to remember any abuse. I myself remember when I was 4 years old and events that happened at that time (my father was in the Air Force and my mother and younger brother were living overseas). I remember vividly our residence (as well as subsequent residences) and I also remember the day we came back to US soil. I also remember an event from when I was in 2nd grade (and I was 7 - younger than Jennifer when Holly ran) very vividly as well. Children can and do remember many different things. And for you to assume that Jennifer's recollection of these events in her life, is just plain demeaning. You are in essence stating that because she is a 'hysterical' female, that she could not have remembered it that way. And if she says she was abused, isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Not if you are an MRA apparently.

He also goes on and on about Sadia Lelinger and her child Fatima. Read more about Sadia and Fatima here.

Celia Says:

December 29th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
.......Holly’s own mother strongly believed that Holly was not a fit mother – I wonder why? That was rhetorical, I know the answer – it lies in the realm objective truth, standing in stark contrast to the emotional.

If you would take the time to actually 'read' Jennifer's blog, you would discover that Holly was abused by her parents (mother and do not recall if it was bio-dad or step-dad). This 'might' explain why Holly's mother would say something like this. Maybe trying to keep her own abuse of her child private - as all abusers do.

Norman L. Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 1:02 am
"Medal of Courage by the California Protective Parents Association"

The majority of these medals should of course to to fathers (whatever the status of a given marriage), as the father has traditionally been considered the protector of his children, and in fact is the protector against any excesses by the mother. (see Baskerville).


Norman L. Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 1:03 am
the above should say the "The majority of these medals should of course go to fathers"

Actually this is not quite true. Consistently in nature it is the female of the species who 'protects' the young. Fathers 'provide' for the young and the family. This is a far stretch from 'protecting', especially when there is documented and admitted abuse as there is in the Collins' case.

Ivo Vos Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 3:52 am
One of the biggest problems with emotional truth, or ego-oriented truth, is that, based on that truth alone, we would never be able to rise out of our biological existence level. Luckily for the human kind, there exists something called the human male, normally called a man.

How 'patriarchal' of you Ivo Vos.......

Burke Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
http://americanchildrenunderground.blogspot.com/

She's already posted in response to this and Glen is attacking her again. She also said the got a huge amount of threatening emails from Glen followers. I can not imagine anyone threatening her, nor do I even see a way to reach her or contact her.

Again someone who just cannot see, Jennifer's contact information is in several spots on her page. I might just have to take away TF's award for this one ;-)

fish Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am
The real issue here is disrespect for the law. Irregardless of whether a father agrees with contact orders or child support he must do as he is commanded by the family court over lord or suffer torture and incarceration. No reason is considered good enough to evade this very special American style of incentive. If this mother was being truthful about abuse then why didnt she have it investigated, instead she just split? She broke the law, to jail she must go, with taser blasts guiding the way to her gang rape in the shower. Her children should be stripped from her as she is publicly humiliated, she should be forced to work a minimum wage job and pay the support of a hundred thousand a year earner for children she never sees while the father teaches the children about all the abuse they suffered at the hands of their mother.

This one will win the 'Misogynistic' Award of the day. Okay this young lady says she was abused by her father. The answer to that is to force her to be with her father, strip her away from the only person who has protected her? Then we will top that with having the protector jailed, humiliated, and forced to labor at a debt that will never go away? Then we will brainwash the abuse victim too?

Oh I know - this poster is comparing this to himself!!!! Yeah okay - more ocean front property in Arizona for ya'.

John Boy Says:

December 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Women's identities in general and some in particular are much more heavely wrapped up in being a mother then men are as a fathers. For some women being a mother is their only area of prestige and status and the children are the only thing they have power over. Losing custody, even partial custody, can be absolutely devestating emotionally.

In fairness, men's identities are sometimes too wrapped up in their work which is why too many of them go "postal" but we will save that for another day.

This same underlying dynamic happens in many many divorces albeit they do not reach this level of conflict. This solipsistic behavior is what drives many women to fight without compunction for every penny and every minute extra of custody they can lay their hands on whether or not it is in their childs best interest or not. This is what makes divorces bitter and the healing process impossible. This women thinks she is a hero but is really a goat.

Can you tell yet how tired I am of this drivel? But I still continue to deliver the misogyny run rampant at that site. First paragraph this commenter states that when a woman loses any form of custody she is devastated because she has lost control over the children. Could it possibly be because she has lost the ability to PROTECT that child? When the mother and father were still living together, the mother was able to safeguard the child from the father's abuse and in many cases, take that abuse on her shoulders rather than exposing the child to it. Now she cannot do that simply because the uneducated courts force her to send the child to the abuser - unsupervised.

'Postal'? Okay I would love to see the sommentary on this one. Any wonder what it will contain? Excuses excuses excuses.....

A goat? Can you not come up with something a little more creative? Even porky is better than this......

To be continued in the next post (too many comments for one post :-)............