February 8, 2009

Now boys we cannot have it both ways....

As you see in the post directly below this one, Glenn Sacks states that verbal or mental abuse is not dv. You then have this wonderful statement from one of his followers. First let me state this is complete and total victim blaming - she MADE me do it. Again this shows the double standards these men (and I use that term loosely - these are not 'real' men in my book) use to justify the simple process that is happening. Men who are prone to abuse women simply feel that they are allowed to do so or are entitled to abuse/control women.

So which is it boys? Is mental and verbal abuse actual abuse, or isn't it? Or should I start giving you cake and letting you eat it too?

18 (comment number)
Sad Dad Says:

January 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
When I was first married, my wife's ex husband told me she used to make him so mad that sometimes he wanted to kill her, but being freshly married I didn't see it. It was a warning that went right over my head. 10 years later I saw what he was saying. Just before we'd go to bed she would just start complaining and arguing and would not shut up until I was so mad I couldn't contain myself. And she did this every single night. And that just was not me. I hated who she turned me into, it was so bad I didn't care what happened to me or the house or anything. I just wanted out of this hell I was living in. That is a bad place to be and I am a really easy going friendly person who loves kids and gives people a second chance. What she did to me I considered abuse and she knew I couldn't touch her, a matter of fact she knew it and relied on the fact that I couldn't. She drove me insane and I think that's what happens in a lot of DV cases don't you agree?




February 6, 2009

It is not the same?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Okay now I have to take offense at what the man himself is saying. In his own words (below) he basically says that verbal and mental abuse is not the same thing as dv. IT IS DV, whether it is accompanied by phsyical abuse or not. Read what the world-reknowned expert on dv, Lundy Bancroft (in Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men), has to say about verbal and mental (psychological) abuse and then read what our hero (NOT!!!!) GS has to say by clicking Petunia....

Glenn's View (note BOLDED text):

[Late note: When I wrote this I assumed the Minister meant this for cases when the woman was the first one to hit or strike the man. A reader pointed out that this is actually not clear--the Minister might have only meant the woman initiated the conflict without hitting/pushing, etc. If it's only words, that's different--verbal or emotional abuse is wrong, too, but it's not the same as domestic violence. Canadian National Post columnist Barbara Kay saw it the same way I did in her new column on the controversy here.--GS]


Lundy's Opinion (paraphrased):

Women who have reported verbal or mental abuse report the wounds from this type of abuse are often worse and much more difficult to heal.




(UPDATE)

I have just been informed this woman Barbara Kay is a second or third wife, so okay her opinion really means something (like we buy that BS ya know?)....Petunia thinks we should be saying Bull Krap to Barbara Kay.....

January 29, 2009

Doomed (his words not mine - I think this is great!!)

Good news ladies and all minorities!!! Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter Act into law today!!! Now what dot he fr's have to say about this? Poor Stan and Bob Batterbee are fit to be tied!!! Now us mean ol wimmin folk will be better able to stand up against female hatred from these men because we will make the same amount they do. These poor poor menfolk are losing their control. And we all know what happens when their kind loses control don't we? I feel for their wives if a woman was stupid enough to marry them. They are probably suffering tonight. First Obama gives money to increase support enforcement (which any single parent relying on the govt to collect child support will tell you the govt needs help in this area) and now horror of horrors - how dare this evil man sign this stupid law into effect? Why he is only making fathers a dying breed.

Get a clue guys!!!!!

From Stan:

To the Judas Escariots among us, we will all reap what you have sown. Here is another reward to the feminists for voting as a recognizable block. What did you do to help us vote in unity against our admitted and sworn enemies? You argued for and voted for these same enemies.
To those divorced and beat dead men who voted for Obama and Biden, we give you credit for another great job well done in helping to destroy fathers, men, families, and our country. This is another law based on one of the The Great Feminist Lies. It will be only one of many. We still have not seen 1% of the feminist agenda that Barak will force down America's throat. This is only the first week of his Presidency and we have $1 Billion for CSE and now the Ledbetter Law. He will pick up steam in the coming weeks. Brace yourselves.


From Bob Batterbee:

(email entitled "Doomed")

Obama signs equal-pay bill
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer 7 mins ago WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama signed an equal-pay bill into law Thursday before cheering labor and women leaders who fought hard for it and the woman whose history-making lawsuit gave impetus to the cause.Obama, choosing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act as the first bill to sign as president, called it a "wonderful day" and declared that ending pay disparities between men and woman an issue not just for women, but for all workers.With Ledbetter standing by his side, Obama said she lost more than $200,000 in salary, and even more in pension and Social Security benefits losses that she "still feels today." He then signed the measure that effectively nullifies a 2007 Supreme Court decision and makes it easier for workers to sue for discrimination by allowing them more time to do so."Making our economy work means making sure it works for everyone," Obama said. "That there are no second class citizens in our workplaces, and that it's not just unfair and illegal — but bad for business — to pay someone less because of their gender, age, race, ethnicity, religion or disability."Ledbetter said she didn't become aware of the large discrepancy in her pay until she neared the end of her 19-year career at a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant in Gadsden, Ala, and she filed a lawsuit. But the high court held in a 5-4 decision that she missed her chance to bring the action.Obama appeared before a jammed East Room audience, and his entrance and many lines of his brief remarks were met with happy applause and yells.He paid special tribute to Ledbetter, who fought for the bill even though it won't allow her to recover any money for herself.And in the room were the living symbols of this fight: Nancy Pelosi, first woman speaker of the House, and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who took her pursuit of the presidency further than any other woman, even though she ultimately lost to Obama in the Democratic primary season.Of Ledbetter, Obama exclaimed: "This grandmother from Alabama kept on fighting, because she was thinking about the next generation."First lady Michelle Obama hosted a reception after the ceremony in the State Dining Room.Ledbetter became a regular feature in Obama's campaign for the White House, addressing the Democratic National Convention in Denver last year and traveling to Washington aboard Obama's train for the inauguration ceremonies. Obama spoke strongly in support of legislation to change the Supreme Court decision during his campaign and the Democratic-controll ed Congress moved it to the top of the agenda for the new session that opened this month.The high court had a person must file a claim of discrimination within 180 days of a company's initial decision to pay a worker less than it pays another worker doing the same job. Under the new bill, given final passage in Congress this week, every new discriminatory paycheck would extend the statute of limitations for another 180 days.Congress attempted to update the law to extend the time, but the Bush White House and Senate Republicans blocked the legislation in the last session of CongressOpponents contended the legislation would gut the statute of limitations, encourage lawsuits and be a boon to trial lawyers. They also argued that employees could wait to file claims in hopes of reaping larger damage awards. The bill does not change current law limiting back pay for claimants to two years.Obama cited Census Bureau figures that women still receive only about 78 cents for every dollar that men get for doing equivalent jobs — "women of color even less," he said."Today, in the year 2009, countless women are still losing thousands of dollars in salary, income and retirement savings over the course of a lifetime," he said.This is more than just a women's issue, said Obama."It's about parents who find themselves with less money for tuition or child care; couples who wind up with less to retire on; households where, when one breadwinner is paid less than she deserves, that's the difference between affording the mortgage or not; between keeping the heat on, or paying the doctor's bills or not," Obama said. The measure, which amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act, also applies to discrimination based on factors such as race, religion, national origin, disability or age.




There are just no words for this

Here we have yet another instance of the abuses women must suffer. This is being passed around on various father's rights groups and touted as something that "should" happen if the woman cannot stop nagging. I am sorry there are just no words for this.



Click Petunia to see more of his digusting behavior, including the theft of several files from various sites to include Stop Family Violence (www.stopfamilyviolence.org)



Collins - an examination of the facts

Glenn Sacks states that the first problem is that Holly has made complaints of abuse against a wide variety of people. On this list are her mother, stepfather, an old landlord, a neighbor in the Netherlands, The new wife of Mark, Mark, and Jeff Imm. Okay so she has made those claims. Just because she says they are true and they say they are not true does not make them any less true. I have lived over 4 decades and in the course of that time have run up against some extremely caring people, and I have met some very nasty people. In terms of what is considered abusive, what I might feel is abusive, someone else might not think the same. So why is it up to an outsider to determine if Holly felt abused? I will not even argue this position with someone of Glenn's caliber. If a man says he was abused, it is believed by Glenn and by all of his cult (well some of his cult I should say because Glenn does allow a few posters who dissent on his forum, just so he can keep it interesting).

Problem two he claims is that Holly has made a variety of violence claims in several courts and they all have found against her. Again this means nothing as women in today's culture are very often found not credible due to the emotional aspect of these issues.

Batterers naturally strive to turn mediation and GAL processes to their advantage, through the use of various tactics. Perhaps the most common is to adopt the role of a hurt, sensitive man who doesn't understand how things got so bad and just wants to work it all out "for the good of the children." He may cry in front of the mediator or GAL and use language that demonstrates considerable insight into his own feelings. He is likely to be skilled at explaining how other people have turned the victim against him, and how she is denying him access to the children as a form of revenge, "even though she knows full well that I would never do anything to hurt them." He commonly accuses her of having mental health problems, and may state that her family and friends agree with him. The two most common negative characterizations he will use are that she is hysterical and that she is promiscuous. The abuser tends to be comfortable lying, having years of practice, and so can sound believable when making baseless statements. The abuser benefits to the detriment of his children if the court representative fails to look closely at the evidence - or ignores it - because of his charm. He also benefits when professionals believe that they can "just tell" who is lying and who is telling the truth, and so fail to adequately investigate.


Excerpt from Lundy Bancroft UNDERSTANDING THE BATTERER IN CUSTODY AND VISITATION DISPUTES

In other words Holly was found even less credible with every allegation she raised. Just because this happens in court (according to a leading domestic violence expert) does not mean that a woman (specifically Holly) is lying about abuse. It could very well mean that Mark has played the abuser card, managed to woo the evaluators into his corner by doing as Bancroft has stated. He wowed them with his concern and knowledge and his care for the children 'appeared' to be that of a good father. Just because he appears to be a good father does not make him a good father. Glenn also states that any litigant is able to get an RO simply for whoing up. This is not true at all. In my own case I have attempted to get 2 RO's after the original permanent one was dropped by the judge and I could not even get a temporary order. In fact, in the second order I was told that obnoxious behavior is not against the law. So point two has now been countered. It is highly possible that due to Holly's naivete of court procedures and that the fact that once a court finds against you more than 2 or 3 times, any further reports will be viewed in the same light. Kind of a reverse boy who cried wolf if you will. She cried once without enough documentation (you see courts want proof even though this is civil court and only a preponderance of the allegations should have to be proven, many times the courts and the officers of the courts rely on the standard for criminal courts - beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is possible in all cases of dv due to the very hidden nature of this crime).

Glenn then states that Zachary sustained the alleged injury not from his father, but at an amusement park. He sustained TWO (repeat 2, not 1 but 2!!!!) head injuries. The first was at the amusement park, but the second was by his father. So here we go again with leaving ut parts of the truth and only saying what you think the reader should hear (talk about your censorship).

Glenn then says issue number 4 is that a reputable child psychiatrist disputes Holly's claims. he (the psychiatrist says this because the children appear to be doing well under the father's care while the father had custody. Do you the reader honestly think that Mark would be kicking the children's dog, slamming their heads into walls, punching and shoving Holly with a psychiatrist present. Also we must look at this logically. We are talking about 2 young children here. What if this scenario was present instead. Dad abuses child and then tells child, if you tell on me they will take you away from me, your mom is crazy so you won't go with her. Then father attempts to woo child by buying child something or promising to not abuse. This is typical of your batterer and the honeymoon, escalation and abuse cycles. The abuser escalates in his anger and violence until you have the actual incidents of violence. he then enters into the honeymoon phase. If an adult victim can be wowed by this and think things will change, how is a child to react? Jennifer and Zachary were quite probably scared out of their wits. The issues of child abuse and domestic violence have been around since creation, only to be recognized as such in the 20Th century. In fact, child abuse was not viewed as a crime and the first documented case of child abuse was brought on by the ASPCA in the late 1800's. However, the system is far from perfect. In reading Jennifer's website, we see that Zachary spoke to his therapist/psychiatrist about his fears of his father. And yet again we have a professional who cannot see the writing on the wall. Jennifer and Zachary have both disproved Glenn on this point clearly and without a doubt. I will now drop this due to their requests. Future posts will not be entertained. I wish Jennifer all the best. I wish Zachary all the best. I wish Holly all the best. I also pray that God puts a veil of protection over this family and keeps them safe from the harm that might occur from these rabid father's rights groups. These groups and those who run them really should get a life.



January 28, 2009

Stalking an abuse victim and her children through the 'Net and offline

One must wonder what would possess a man who by his own words has an extremely fulfilling and happy home life with two children and a wonderful wife t do this. What do I mean by this? He has endeavored to take on 'proving' Holly Collins and her children wrong. He wants to brand Holly a liar, he wants the world to think she has some strange disease which is not even listed in any medical book as a RECOGNIZED mental disease or condition. What is the mysterious malady of which I am speaking? Why PAS dear readers..... Parental Alienation Syndrome. Apparently Jennifer's father wants people to believe he is a nice guy (more on that later) who has been victimized in the worst possible way. His ex-wife Holly has stolen his children and spirited them away to the Netherlands. And GS has decided it is his mission to prove this woman wrong. He wants to re victimize the victim, as her abuser has done over and over. And this is just Holly, I have yet to start on what he is trying to do to Jennifer and Zachary. It might also be noted that Zachary remains quiet on these issues. Even though he is now an adult and no longer under the jurisdiction of the US court who gave custody of him to his alleged abusive father, he still REFUSED to return to the States. He REFUSED and as far as I know, still REFUSES to speak to his father.

And then we have GS sitting all high and mighty is his nice house in California, being a good little househusband, running his websites, charging men's rights groups 10 a week to run a dinky sized ad in the hopes that one of his cult followers would click on one of those ads. nice little racket going there. Get these already quite possibly unstable men riled up, charge others money to place small banner ads on your site and be able to stay at home with your children. Geesh where do I find a job like that?

Now folks you have a slight background on this (and please Jennifer if you notice any corrections needed on what has been posted to date please email me). It is now nearly 2 am, I must get my beauty sleep, so the fireworks will have to wait until tomorrow. I do promise it will come :-)

Okay enough fooling around, now it is serious time

Well the time has come folks and it is now time to get serious. Sadly I knew this day would come. Some people are like dogs. Give them a bone and they will never let go until the bone is in shreds, torn into tiny little slivers. This is now what is being done to Jennifer Collins, Holly Collins, Zachary Collins, and to Holly's minor child whose name I will not mention due to his age. His natural father (from what I have read) can only be classified in the questionable category. What type of father who claims to be interested in a child's best interest wants to root the child up from the only environment he has ever known and from his entire family? I will offer my own opinion on this and it is green and there are quite a few of them and they have pictures of dead presidents on them.

Amazingly we have yet to hear any denials from the now famous father of Jennifer and Zachary. No denials.... nothing.... One must wonder why this is? And of course we have the ever famous (maybe in his mind and the minds of his cult followers) man who has decided to make it his life's mission to rip this mother to shreds as a dog would a good bone. I will say one thing in this post before I get to the hard work. The children in question were 7 and 9 when the mother fled the US. This is old enough to form an opinion about something. To delude yourself into thinking that these children could not have possibly remembered themselves or their mother being abused is quite frankly - in a word - disgusting.

Now folks the posts you have been anxiously awaiting are on the way. This could very well be a several day project, so please be patient. He has pretended to engage in a full investigation of Holly's charges and claims, yet he only presents one side of the issues. I will now take all of his claims and using the Internet will show why his claims and how his claims can be proven false. Also be warned, this post will probably not provide the entertainment value of some of my previous posts. But then again, it just might. This is something I need to do. I feel as though I know Jennifer, although we have never met. I see my own daughter and sons in her eyes and in Zachary's eyes. I see myself in Holly's eyes. I only hope that things can start changing.

Holly, Jennifer, Zachary... this is for you. I can only hope I will do you justice and bring to light the truth. My prayer is that you Holly will see this and say yes yes yes over and over again, this is what I meant, this is what I was talking about. SHE gets it. Well I get it because I live it. So with that my sisters in this war, I salute you. Let's get on with this.

Porky porky porky (this is so fun what a DUMAS!!!)

Now I am having some fun in order to prepare for the heartbreak of my next post or two (that really depends on how much I can stomach of the subsequent posting and the thought that must go into it). Porky is so incensed at this site and has decided to create his own 'educational' blog, for those out of the loop. While I found this amusing to say the least, I stumbled upon his site completely by accident. He had been posting as anonymous (one of the many) on this site. He then created his own user id on Google and a 'new' blog.

Well it is not new (now this site here is new lol), it is simply a rehashing of old worn out tired ideas that hopefully will soon be 'Gone With The Wind'. After several posts on his site, he reveals his true identity. He has now revealed that two commenters on Glenn Sacks website are one and the same. If you go look (I don't have time right now as I am formulating my thoughts on my next few posts which are just so much more important than some worthless MRA) you will see 'nelson' and 'Michael Claymore' posting on the same articles written by Sacks. Now one must wonder, does this MRA have a slight case of dual personality? Oh I guess since he is Claymore, nelson, and porky - he can possibly qualify as having multiple personalities.

Now this is interesting and quite amusing :-) One must also wonder if porky aka nelson aka Michael Claymore will say anything about this post? Nah, because to do so would be attracting attention to what he refers to as a feminazi, crazed woman....Hmmm is that what sacks meant by LOONIES?

One other piece of advice MC aka nelson aka porky.... when designing a website, you should really think of all the users on the 'Net, not just yourself. Creating a page that looks good on your huge monitor set at the highest possible resolution will NOT look good on another computer which is set at 800 by 600 resolution (or quite possibly even smaller). Design 101 - go to school dude.....



UPDATE!!!

Have you seen the new porky sty? OMG lol and that is what took him days and weeks to accomplish? That would be a 4 hour project for me. Blogger.com is so wonderful - they make it easy to create an onlilne forum...Why mess with easy when I have so many thoughts running through my brain that must come out? These men are such bozos - I must shout from the rooftops so the world can see.

Ahhhhhh poor MRA baby is all upset because the government is giving away money......

This poor little baby has his panties in a knot because the government under Obama is attempting to fix the mess left behind with years and years of this mess. Will he be able to fix it before we have another Great Depression? Before people are on ration cards as we once were in times of war? And what has this poor poor poor MRA all upset? In a 13 page summary report, one sentence on page 12. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what the subject matter of this one sentence in a 13 page report would be? Two words and the first is CHILD. I will leave the rest to your fertile imaginations.



January 17, 2009

More De Nile from a 'victim' MRA

As I mentioned before, Many men's rights and father's rights group have public archives or allow just about anyone on their groups. Many times I get sent these emails from a person or persons absolutely disgusted by the actions of these MRA/FRs. I am sharing one below: (coming soon - have to run to the store) hope you are awaiting this anxiously :-)

UPDATE:

I promised this to you almost 2 weeks ago and had to undergo more abuse from my batterer so was unable to post. Circumstances have now changed (as you will see by my subsequent posts) and I am now angry again. Here is the cheese guy from an FR group. (Email forwarded to me - thank you mole!!!)

If you want to see alienation, go to the web site below and put in
XXXXXXX. You will see were my ex has alienated me from my kids by
falsely accusing me of domestic. Falsely accusing my father and at the
same time saying I kept them unsafe and I did not see them for four
months that time. Have records of were I was denied over 200 visit days
from OCT. 2006-oct.2007. My relationship with my children I guess will
have to wait until there older.


Well, my two cents on this situation? If you did not do the crime then you won't do the time. But if a judge felt there was reason for an RO against you, then my advice to you? Stop being abusive.... You might be surprised at how far you would get if you tried actually being.......nice? DUMAS!!!!

UPDATE 2: Any of my faithful followers wants a laugh about this, send me an email and I will send the pertinent info :-) You will see at least 7 or 8 dv cases in which this guy is a party, plus a divorce and a foreclosure. What a prize huh?

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