Rap Misogyny & J-Shin's 'Baby Mama Drama'

If you choose to go to this site you will see every single post attacks the original poster "LorMarie". She correctly calls out GS when he has failed to mention the prevelance of female hatred by men in rap songs. He tries to make up for this by making a post about rap. I have two things to say about this post. First - he posts the ENTIRE lyrics to the other two male hate by female songs on his site and on this post he conveniently only pulls out the lyrics which will fit his agenda. Second - TOO LITTLE TOO LATE GS.

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huilenowl Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
LorMarie, a reader, was also correct in retorting that "male rap artists can rap about degrading women" without protest, calling it a "double standard."

I am sorry but this statement by LorMarie is utterly false. Do a google search of mysogyny, rap lyrics, and you will see how false this feminist retort is. It is basesless, factless and attempts to absolve women of her ilk from holding women like beyonce responsible and accountable. Their are no books, programs or congressional members broaching the subject of misandry, there are all of the aforementioned when it comes specifically to rap and mysogyny.

There are no classroom discussions denouncing beyonce, but male rap lyrics are routinely the subject of classroom discourse. Male rap artists do no play their mysogynistic songs on Good Morning America to the delight of Diane Sawyer, or on Oprah-- Beyonce however does. The double standard that LorMarie wants to protest doesn't exist in any manner shape or way that she wants to pretend it does.

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Mister-M Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Except that LorMarie was incorrect in stating that male rap artists sing misogynistic lyrics without protest. Other than that, the article has some merit.

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Marc A. Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
That you, Huilenowl, for taking the words right out of my mouth. I totally agree. I was about to respond to that and was glad to see you already did. I do not see how anyone can say it is "without protest" when there is tons of protest. I specifically recall when Nelly had to cancel his show because Black women protested his lyrics. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4816719/

How is that "without protest"? I hear of similar opposition all the time.

Even worse is the claim that this is somehow a "double standard when in fact the double standard is exactly the OPPOSITE. Nobody challenges misandry when it's all over the MAINSTREAM. Commercials, comedy, humor, etc. You are absolutely, 100%, CORRECT. Misogyny gets pushed to the fringes and "shock" DJ's and then still gets protested, while, as Warren Farrell puts it, "Male bashing is a Hallmark card."

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john Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
lormarie is wrong....conservatives have spoken out against rap (i don't call them artists-lol...they can't even sing)...i've heard them do so on the radio and tv....but....you won't hear liberals speak out on thisi believe because they are too busy kissing up for their votes....and they are to scared to loose their support

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Marc A. Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
"won't hear liberals speak out on thisi believe because they are too busy kissing up for their votes....and they are to scared to loose their support"

Not true. Liberals and feminists speak out about this alot. And they're hypocritical when they do, just as the conservatives are, because they both ignore the misandry and only speak about misogyny.

When it comes to gender issues, I see plenty of hypocrisy in both left and right camps.

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Lance Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
GS: "LorMarie, a reader, was also correct in retorting that "male rap artists can rap about degrading women" without protest, calling it a "double standard.""

Sure...right...when has the Today Show ever done a segment on anti-male lyrics? Rarely if ever...but they hit the anti-female lyrics all the time.

The double standard is in the fact that society seems to recognize that anti-female lyrics are wrong...but they seem to let pass anti-male lyrics.

This is just another "me-too" from LorMarie I think. Is she right to point out anti-female lyrics? Sure..but don't try to get props by saying that there is an anti-female double standard going on when the double standard is clearly anti-male.

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Lance Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Oh, and what huilenowl said.

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ManCan Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
The key to victory is white men and black men getting together for their common interests, and bashing each other's music makes that a lot harder.

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ManCan Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
"Anti-female lyrics" are not wrong.

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pj Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
‘Baby Mama Drama’, a truthful song that accurately depicts the situation for so many fathers whose children are born out of wedlock!

I believe it could also be called the Truth song, I'm lovin' it !

The detractors sound a lot like the narrow-minded, backward, ignorant elitist kooks that used to burn Beatle albums by the hundreds in the middle of the street back in the day.

And we all know what happened to 'vile, degrading and violent' rock n' roll, and especially the Beatles!

I formally dub the magnificently hypocritical criticism of so-called 'misogynistic' Rap as the:

'The Triple Slander Standard'

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sonja Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
'"Anti-female lyrics" are not wrong.'

Care to expand on that, ManCan? I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.

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TF Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Black males are more intimately familiar with growing up in a matriarchy. Art is a depiction of the artist's perception or imagination or reality.

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lormarie Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
There are no classroom discussions denouncing beyonce--huilenowl

That's because Beyonce was singing about an image that male rappers regularly present about themselves. Her song also lacked the anti-male and female degredation and violence often present in rap music. I swear, the onset of NWA and Easy-E sent rap down the drain, LOL.

Now if Beyonce were to sing a song depicting AA (African American) males as subhuman male "hos" who should be beaten or performs on stage with a noose, I'd say we have a problem. Until then, I don't think that her song is any worse than much of what is played on the radio (including country, rock, R&B) by male and female artists.

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perspicacious Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Back to the song lyrics...no start with the title. Baby Mama. Maybe if young black AND white people thought of babies in terms of husband and wife, there would be more respect for one another and a better outcome for the children. The song is junk that only serves to further push a wrong idea about what reproducing *human beings* is supposed to entail. JMO.

I will be updating this as new comments are posted as I can rightfully imagine there will be few posts to commend Glenn on his half assed post regarding rap.

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Nelson Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
This idea that misogynist lyrics arent criticized is claptrap. The Stones were criticized for "Under my thumb" decades ago, then there was GnR and NWA in the eighties and nineties. All these guys got heavy heat for their lyrics, meanwhile Beyonce gets a free ride.

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lormarie Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Nelson Says:

January 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
This idea that misogynist lyrics arent criticized is claptrap. The Stones were criticized for "Under my thumb" decades ago, then there was GnR and NWA in the eighties and nineties. All these guys got heavy heat for their lyrics, meanwhile Beyonce gets a free ride.

GNR also caught heat for using the "N" word in "One In A Million." A term ironically used by "N"WA in their very name. Strangely enough, it did little to dampen their (GNR) popularity.

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BASTA! Says:

January 11th, 2009 at 12:19 am
> GNR also caught heat for using the "N" word in "One In A Million."

Isn't that a textbook example of a red herring?

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ManCan Says:

January 11th, 2009 at 3:26 am
Most of the lyrics aren't "mysoginist," anyway. It's mostly just rappers bragging about all the hot b*tches they've nailed. But when a man discusses his adolescent desires and frustrations we need to have a debate about it to make sure he isn't persecuting women; when a woman discusses her feelings it's healthy. How ridiculous can you get?

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ManCan Says:

January 11th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Quite frankly, I would like to see more music that is "anti-female" (or anti-feminist, more specifically). Songs about women pretending to be helpless, exploiting the system, failing to raise children on their own, lying about men, etc. I hope the word "ho" won't be used because I wouldn't want prostitutes to be unfairly compared to the kind of women I'm referring to.

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Danny Says:

January 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
All I can say is that I have yet to see a male singer come up with a song that shows male against female violence and actually have the video applauded when a clip of it is played on a daytime talk show.

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John D Says:

January 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Here is as close to a recrimination as a black comedian I think could possibly come.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z9A2I-X7b-w

Chris Rock detailing how hard it is to defend rap music anymore.

The main thing about rap (regardless of the color) is that they hail from a totally different culture.

What is this culture? The poor urban slums. The only thing nearly universal about these homes is that they are fatherless. Some 98% of homes in poor urban slums are fatherless.

Maybe this is an indication that the great feminist science experiment/gameshow "trade dads 4 checks" was a miserable failure.