Okay now it seems Glenn is targetting a 'Nu-Metal' group who has a song out titled Menocide. First one must look at the obvious. Who has heard of this group? I certainly haven't, Glenn complaining about Beyonce is more apt to draw my attention than this group. They are not mainstream. next we must look at the prevelance of this type of music. How many girl metal bands are there? I did a search for this and
here is what I found (courtesy Wikipedia). Notice that some of the names on this list are actually fairly mainstream singers (Lita Ford being one). Also notice if you scroll down to Otep, you will find a link to the
band's page on Wikipedia. Amazingly enough what does one discover? The lead vocalist is female, but all the other band members are MALE!!!! I am not in any way condoning the music given to us by this band, but I like many others, have the choice to listen or to not listen. I choose to not listen. One last note, if you read the lyrics as written, the singer (IMO) is simpply saying that she is being killed (smothered?, degraded?, minmized?) by herself and by others. Again, Glenn could find much better things to blog about besdies some little known to many band called OTEP. Like how about discussing the well known rappers who degrade and villify women on a daily basis. Or that these rappers are much more mainstream? How about the music made by men that says things like women should get down on her knees and worse? No discussion of that activity now is there? Read bleow form some cult remarks....
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jim Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
i like the female circumsision part.... funny that no one talks about it happening to men in our ouwn countrie(s)
Funny how it is that MEN decided males should be circumcised and MEN decided females should be circumcised...yet no mention is made of that.
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The Dapper Swindler Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Perhaps if someone recorded the antithesis to this song, ie about women, and played it to people who had never heard of it, then gauged their reaction. I suspect we'd get some very telling results about which people value more - men or women. Not that we don't already know the answer to that of course. It's obvious.
Funy thing is we do have it....it is called rap...
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David G Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
"Men are human waste--kill them"
Actually you have to admire her honesty. She's articulating how society thinks of men - disposable and sub-human. And look at the male suicide and longevity figures - we ARE being killed off.
You are being killed off? If it is suicide, then again MALES are the ones doing the killing, not females. Why don't you learn accountability, instead of blaming?
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menscollegeactivist.org Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 12:20 am
She mentions Salems burning of witches in her lyrics....Am i mistaken or was it not 2 young girls that were responseable for the mass hystyeria that got these "withches" burned.
Funny how local hysterics blame men, when it was in fact young women who called in the Klan type hysteria, by making the false accusation of witchery, against other women.
Children 'began' the hysteria, but it was MEN who carried out the evil and vile killings of the supposed witches.
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John Kimble Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 12:54 am
"She mentions Salems burning of witches in her lyrics....Am i mistaken or was it not 2 young girls that were responseable for the mass hystyeria that got these "withches" burned"
What an excellent point - I guess fatal false allegations by women aren't exactly a new phenomena.
Many also forget that one third of the "witches" executed were in fact male.
And 2/3 were female. Your point? Mor ewomen were still killed due to the hysteria of a few children fueled on by some angry men. Again Men killing MEN and WOMEN.
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Just a metalhead Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 1:14 am
This is typical in the more extreme side of metal, lyrics that are violent, provoking, disgusting, racist, mysognynist, misanthropy, etc... Plus most of the time this is just a game, a fantasy, a way to expunge frustration and rage and nothing more. This is probably the case here, I mean she's the only female in a group of 4 in a genre vastly dominated by men. And personally I don't think there are many metal bands that are big enough to be considered "mainstream" or to use them as an example of how society is favorable to hating men and Otep is not one of them. Only reason I know of the group existence is because the name sounds a bit like a much better group called Opeth.
If I may be excused a bit of sarcasm "Wow, a metal song includes hate-filled ramblings, stop the presses!".
Also, to defend metal a bit, it's a much more diverse genre than most people think, there's a world of difference between Dream Theater and Burzum, one's a group reknown for musical prowess, flowing melody and clear voice and the other is a group formed of only one (mad, neo-nazi, christian-hating, murderous) man, with shrieks, horrible production and feverish music. Most metal artists would shirk at having their music called "commercial", that's actually an insult in the community, few metal musicians live from their music and most labels are independent and are run by people passionate enough by the genre that they dedicate a lot of time and effort in it without much return.
To be fair, I have included this post. This commenter is right on the money. If you listen to this (OTEP music or any metal) then more power to you. I myself choose NOT to listen to this. However it is not my right to take that right away from someone else. How often have you seen on the news of a woman who has killed a man simply based on the fact that OTEP discussed it in their music? Yet you often hear of young adult men raping and abusing women bvecause of rap music (or so they claim).
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David G Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Notice the Nirvana t-shirt - an ALL-MALE band the last time I checked.
David, maybe you should go check out this band. They are a 4 person band - one female and 3 males. At one time they had 2 female mebers, but the decision wa smade to make the second female leave due to her age (too young in the other member's opinions to be touring).
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Nelson Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Sounds like she's been reading the Scum Manifesto.
http://gos.sbc.edu/s/solanas.html
And yes, this is another good example of how society tolerates hatred of males in a way it would never tolerate hatred of women, blacks or gays. This woman should be thrown into jail along with all the other psychos, at the very least she should never be allowed to have male children.
One word nelson aka porky -RAP!!!
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David M Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I get sooo tired of these immature women. They have been convinced that they don't "need " men. Most women can't last 24 hours without a man.
Stop living in your fantasy land sisters.
And how do you propose to live without women? Oh yeah I remember - surrogacy - slavery of women in order to continue YOUR lineage...
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peter Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 8:15 am
In the eyes of the Feminist Court we are Human Debris. When this "Debris" cannot pay child support due to excessive child support, no contact with my children and the weight of the Divorce Industry then I am "Wanted" in the worst way. Hyprocrites, thieves, liars, and lawyers. I may be exiled from this country but the truth will stand for me.......someday.
One dumb question here, peter....What does seeing your children have to do with paying your support? We women are told over and over like a mantra to our brains, you MUST allow dad to see the kids, whether he pays support or not. Why is it again, something that is good for the gander is NOT good for the goose? Or could it be that you are simply too angry and REFUSE to pay support? You state yourself you are in 'exile'....
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jeana Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I’m sorry, Robert Franklin, I must have missed which feminist commentators praised this song. Could you point me to them?
And I would expect some kind of comparison to the violent, misogynistic lyrics that are in rap music. I guess what’s good for the gander is good for the goose. Or is can only guys sing about raping and beating (and who knows what else) girls?
Woohoooo I knew jeana would not be long before posting to this thread. Well I will fall to the standrads laid down by these men and completely fulfill their expectation with this....
YOU GO GIRL!!!
LMAO :-)
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jake steed Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 11:23 am
JEANNA
the point is that if a male wrote this song there will be an outcry from feminists.
the point is that why cant you feminists take things easy sometimes and stop bitching about stupid things.
because feminists bitch about stupid things it means men have to do it too to have EQUALITY.
for instance 99.9% of men dont give a fuck about those "boys are stupid....throw rocks at them" because we can take things easy.
but if it were "girls are sissies ...hit them with bricks" then there will be an outrage from the feministas.
if they take things easy there will be no REACTIONARY bitching about stupid things on glen sacks
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jerry Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Jeana, perhaps no stated support for this song, but we have definitely seen lots of support for
Boys are stupid throw rocks at them
and of course, that wonderful old chestnut:
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
Not much support for the song menocide itself, but there seems to be lots of support, cheers, booyahs, for women expressing the concept behind the song...
how much longer do we need to hear about the "Boys are Stpuid" product line? As a mother of male and female chidlren, I would never allow any of my children to wear such garbage. A parent that does is not looking out for their child's best interests. I do not like those products and most women I know concerned over abusive men gaining rights through family court by using techniques such as named on many MRA wesbites would not allow their chidlren to wear or own any of these products.
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